ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber

[Alice]

Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.

[adam]

Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.

David had attempted a quiet stance change.

When exposed he said he changed stance because he realised the relatives could have fabricated the silencer without police assistance. I assume this means he believes the police were not involved in any framing.

After repeated questioning by me, David eventually said he believed the relatives used the period blood in the bucket of water.

Good luck in getting more from him on this issue. I couldn't although this is his reason for a 360 degree U turn.

[APRIL]

Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.

Equally risible is the suggestion that having been previously shot through the neck -in the kitchen!!!- and having either feigned death of passed out- she then, complete with shattered vertebrae causing who knows what pain, she manages to climb the stairs, each step presumably jarring her damaged spine and intensifying the pain. She then, whether sitting standing or laying, has to raise her arms to lift the gun into position, probably ALSO having to position her head to a place suitable to place the final shot. God knows how, had she failed -again- she'd have accomplished a third!!!

[Caroline]

Talking of obfuscating rather than clarifying:

- NB's watch was 'discovered' under a rug.  There's no evidence anyone attempted to hide it.

- NB sustained non-gsw injuries to his right arm only

- The blood found near the Aga was described as "smears" not blood spatter.  "There was blood smears on a tile above his head, on the kettle on the hob and the Aga at his side" CAL P. 702.  Pathology report states "substantial blood staining" to NB's right hand.  Probably came out when NB outstretched his only working arm (right) to steady himself.

- Dr V was unable to gauge the force used in all but one of NB's non-gsw's.  The one he was able to gauge he described as "considerable" but this only caused a "severe superficial skin injury".  In a later report he stated that there was nothing a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=742

- The kitchen lampshade was found broken and the only people to describe the fall out as "shards of glass" are you and John.  Soc officer DC Hammersley describes the fall out as "debris" confined to a particular area:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=21

The fact is the light was broken and Nevill's head was battered with the rifle hard enough to break the stock. I know you think that a person carrying out such an act wouldn't be splattered with the victims blood but I certainly don't agree and Sheila certainly wasn't.

[Myster]

Talking of obfuscating rather than clarifying:

- NB's watch was 'discovered' under a rug.  There's no evidence anyone attempted to hide it.

- NB sustained non-gsw injuries to his right arm only

- The blood found near the Aga was described as "smears" not blood spatter.  "There was blood smears on a tile above his head, on the kettle on the hob and the Aga at his side" CAL P. 702.  Pathology report states "substantial blood staining" to NB's right hand.  Probably came out when NB outstretched his only working arm (right) to steady himself.

- Dr V was unable to gauge the force used in all but one of NB's non-gsw's.  The one he was able to gauge he described as "considerable" but this only caused a "severe superficial skin injury".  In a later report he stated that there was nothing a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=742

- The kitchen lampshade was found broken and the only people to describe the fall out as "shards of glass" are you and John.  Soc officer DC Hammersley describes the fall out as "debris" confined to a particular area:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=21

Check the facts before you nitpick, oh footy fanatic!

1). I didn't say anyone attempted to hide the watch... it was found hidden, as in hidden from view.

2). Nope, his left arm and WRIST were bruised, see pathology report attached.

3). Described as smears by CAL, but observed by ME as spots/spatter (call it what you will) on the AGA front and the kettle resting on top. Some of us don't agree with CAL on certain points, including the order of shooting.

4). Nevill's face was beaten to a pulp, and that wasn't by a feather duster.

5). The lampshade was BROKEN!... so where did the shards/pieces/debris (again, call them what you will) end up?  In the hall, on the stairs, in the bedrooms?!!! Did Sheila sweep them up so none would cut the soles of her feet?!!!  Soooooo pedantic!

[adam]

I don't believe the watch was hidden. Bamber wouldn't hide the watch in the middle of the kitchen crime scene.

The watch fell off Nevill's wrist as he was protecting his head from rifle blows from Bamber. Mats would have moved during the kitchen fight & one ended up on top of the watch.

[Holly Goodhead]

Check the facts before you nitpick, oh footy fanatic!

1). I didn't say anyone attempted to hide the watch... it was found hidden, as in hidden from view.

2). Nope, his left arm and WRIST were bruised, see pathology report attached.

3). Described as smears by CAL, but observed by ME as spots/spatter (call it what you will) on the AGA front and the kettle resting on top. Some of us don't agree with CAL on certain points, including the order of shooting.

4). Nevill's face was beaten to a pulp, and that wasn't by a feather duster.

5). The lampshade was BROKEN!... so where did the shards/pieces/debris (again, call them what you will) end up?  In the hall, on the stairs, in the bedrooms?!!! Did Sheila sweep them up so none would cut the soles of her feet?!!!  Soooooo pedantic!

Check the facts before you nitpick, oh footy fanatic!

1). I didn't say anyone attempted to hide the watch... it was found hidden, as in hidden from view.

2). Nope, his left arm and WRIST were bruised, see pathology report attached.

3). Described as smears by CAL, but observed by ME as spots/spatter (call it what you will) on the AGA front and the kettle resting on top. Some of us don't agree with CAL on certain points, including the order of shooting.

4). Nevill's face was beaten to a pulp, and that wasn't by a feather duster.

5). The lampshade was BROKEN!... so where did the shards/pieces/debris (again, call them what you will) end up?  In the hall, on the stairs, in the bedrooms?!!! Did Sheila sweep them up so none would cut the soles of her feet?!!!  Soooooo pedantic!

There's no evidence for anything you suggest:

1). let's agree on discovered!?

2).  A later report states no injuries to left forearm:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205.0;attach=730

3).  The first I heard of these blood stains was via CAL.  I will need to check her source.  Anyway no mention in DC Hammersley's trial testimony who was responsible for collecting such. 

4).  Please provide evidence of NB's face beaten to a pulp.  Dr Vanezis said there was nothing about his injuries that a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=742

5).  The lampshade was described as opaque and the debris was said to have fallen between the stool and mag rack. Talk of shards all over the place has no place in reality:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=215
 

[John]

Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.

Absolutely correct. The whole idea that someone could shoot themself twice in the throat and not end up with blood all over their hands, fingers and the rifle is frankly laughable.

[Holly Goodhead]

Absolutely correct. The whole idea that someone could shoot themself twice in the throat and not end up with blood all over their hands, fingers and the rifle is frankly laughable.

SC did have blood on her hands and blood was present on the rifle.

Charlie Wilkes on IA reconstructed with his .22 and demonstrated how blood trailed down SC's arm. 

[Alice]

If she'd shot herself the first time and failed the pain would be immeasurable and it would be a reflex surely to raise your hands to the wound so yes there would be some blood stain on her hands. I just do not accept that in that agony and as you suggest mental turmoil she could ever set about inflicting a second shot. I think with pain that awful she'd just have passed out or just lay writhing if conscious.

[Holly Goodhead]

If she'd shot herself the first time and failed the pain would be immeasurable and it would be a reflex surely to raise your hands to the wound so yes there would be some blood stain on her hands. I just do not accept that in that agony and as you suggest mental turmoil she could ever set about inflicting a second shot. I think with pain that awful she'd just have passed out or just lay writhing if conscious.

June sustained at least 5 gsw's and walked around the bed and back.

NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs and was able to get to the kitchen under his own steam despite the pathologist saying the 2 x facial wounds he sustained would have produced "extreme pain".

It is often said women have higher pain thresholds as a result of childbirth but I've no idea if any research backs this up. 

[Angelo222]

If she'd shot herself the first time and failed the pain would be immeasurable and it would be a reflex surely to raise your hands to the wound so yes there would be some blood stain on her hands. I just do not accept that in that agony and as you suggest mental turmoil she could ever set about inflicting a second shot. I think with pain that awful she'd just have passed out or just lay writhing if conscious.

Agreed and the tips of her fingers would have been bloodied...they weren't.  The pathologist's expert evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot impossible.

[APRIL]

Agreed and the tips of her fingers would have been bloodied...they weren't.  The pathologist's expert evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot impossible.

Shattered vertebrae would certainly have made head movement difficult, if not, impossible. I can't see how she'd have raised her head, after the first shot, to position it for a successful second shot.

[Holly Goodhead]

Agreed and the tips of her fingers would have been bloodied...they weren't.  The pathologist's expert evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot impossible.

The pathologist said it would have been possible for SC to walk around having sustained the first shot as per attached trial testimony.

[Holly Goodhead]

Shattered vertebrae would certainly have made head movement difficult, if not, impossible. I can't see how she'd have raised her head, after the first shot, to position it for a successful second shot.

The pathologist has SC partially sitting up for both gsw's as per attached