Should SY set up a special unit to investigate ALL missing child cases?

[Robittybob1]

You never know, Faith. Maybe the final lead is to identify Amaral's missing fridge after all... 

Personally, I found the prosecutor's summary objective:

Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child's death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

It's not clear if his remark re the "margin of error" extends to Rebelo-time or not. In view of the circumstances Rebelo inherited, I found that he generally did a good job. Time constraints due to arguido status meant that he had to find evidence with which the prosecutor could charge one or more arguidos or archive the case.

I don't see how the investigation could have started from zero again with those time constraints, unless something extraordinary had popped up.

Perhaps my only (mild) criticism was to have spent seemingly ages hunting down the source of the ink to print out the photos when it would have been much easier to simply ask and verify the explanation.

They never did find the source of the printer.  OK once they were told in the end it was Amy Tierney's boyfriend's printer they seem to abandon the search at that point.  Before AT gave her statement everyone was telling incorrect statements up to that stage i.e saying it was all done on OC equipment in the main reception.  Asking was not enough IMO.

I think I know where the fridge is, but there would be so many interesting odours in a meat fridge I suspect you won't be able to use a cadaver dog in there.  How would you be able to prove any particular fridge was involved?

[Angelo222]

They never did find the source of the printer.  OK once they were told in the end it was Amy Tierney's boyfriend's printer they seem to abandon the search at that point.  Before AT gave her statement everyone was telling incorrect statements up to that stage i.e saying it was all done on OC equipment in the main reception.  Asking was not enough IMO.

I think I know where the fridge is, but there would be so many interesting odours in a meat fridge I suspect you won't be able to use a cadaver dog in there.  How would you be able to prove any particular fridge was involved?

Fingerprints and DNA?

[Vertigo Swirl]

It is you who are looking at the investigation in a simplistic manner.

Care to explain what you mean by that?

[faithlilly]

Care to explain what you mean by that?

No. I think it’s self-explanatory.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No. I think it’s self-explanatory.

Well it certainly isn't to me. 

[Robittybob1]

Fingerprints and DNA?

Hair?

[misty]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-43363791

The father of toddler who disappeared near a military base almost 37 years ago says police must regain his trust after mistakes in the search for her.

Katrice Lee, from Hartlepool, went missing from a Naafi supermarket near Paderborn, Germany in 1981.

International appeals have failed to find her, but her father Richard Lee has never given up hope.

Later, Mr Lee will meet a Royal Military Police (RMP) team that is reinvestigating the case.

Katrice went missing on 28 November 1981 - her second birthday - while out shopping with her mother Sharon, from Gosport, Hampshire.

The reinvestigation, called Operation Bute, is being carried out by the Surrey-based RMP team.

Mr Lee will be updated on its progress since Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said he would sanction a review of the case last year.

'Get better rapport'
In 2012, Royal Military Police chiefs admitted mistakes were made during the initial investigation.

Mr Lee said said border guards were not informed when Katrice disappeared, statements from shop workers were not taken until six weeks later and information about an eye condition Katrice had was not made known.

He said: "What I'm hoping is to get a better rapport and understanding with the Royal Military Police and get clarity and understanding with what went wrong with the initial investigation.

"Hopefully, we can resolve issues and find out where my daughter is. The initial investigation was a complete mess and subsequent investigations were either closing ranks or covering mistakes.

"Trust is not a given and what the police need to do now is regain my trust."

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said it would be inappropriate to comment while the case was being reinvestigated.

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I think we should be thankful that current politics allows for the continuation or re-investigation of historic child disappearances, given the knowledge of obvious flaws in police practice at the relevant times.
It's also disturbing to read that, like the McCanns, the Lees appear to have been given reasons a-plenty to distrust the very people abroad who were paid to help them in very distressing circumstances.

[sadie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-43363791

The father of toddler who disappeared near a military base almost 37 years ago says police must regain his trust after mistakes in the search for her.

Katrice Lee, from Hartlepool, went missing from a Naafi supermarket near Paderborn, Germany in 1981.

International appeals have failed to find her, but her father Richard Lee has never given up hope.

Later, Mr Lee will meet a Royal Military Police (RMP) team that is reinvestigating the case.

Katrice went missing on 28 November 1981 - her second birthday - while out shopping with her mother Sharon, from Gosport, Hampshire.

The reinvestigation, called Operation Bute, is being carried out by the Surrey-based RMP team.

Mr Lee will be updated on its progress since Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said he would sanction a review of the case last year.

'Get better rapport'
In 2012, Royal Military Police chiefs admitted mistakes were made during the initial investigation.

Mr Lee said said border guards were not informed when Katrice disappeared, statements from shop workers were not taken until six weeks later and information about an eye condition Katrice had was not made known.

He said: "What I'm hoping is to get a better rapport and understanding with the Royal Military Police and get clarity and understanding with what went wrong with the initial investigation.

"Hopefully, we can resolve issues and find out where my daughter is. The initial investigation was a complete mess and subsequent investigations were either closing ranks or covering mistakes.

"Trust is not a given and what the police need to do now is regain my trust."

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said it would be inappropriate to comment while the case was being reinvestigated.

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I think we should be thankful that current politics allows for the continuation or re-investigation of historic child disappearances, given the knowledge of obvious flaws in police practice at the relevant time.
It's also disturbing to read that, like the McCanns, the Lees appear to have been given reasons a-plenty to distrust the very people abroad who were paid to help them in very distressing circumstances.

How interesting but very sad.

So Katrice Lee had an eye condition. 
I wonder if it is a Coloboma like Madeleines eye condition.  Is it a genetic defect?   Could it be that both girls are from similar bloodlines?   

I mention it because I find the name "LEE" interesting; it is part of the name HEALEY
[spelling doesn't matter, cos people did not know how to spell in ancient times]

... and my suspect has LEE bloodline connections


Probably just a co- incidence, but worth noting IMO


Tin hat on and bunkered down 

[misty]

How interesting but very sad.

So Katrice Lee had an eye condition. 
I wonder if it is a Coloboma like Madeleines eye condition.  Is it a genetic defect?   Could it be that both girls are from similar bloodlines?   

I mention it because I find the name "LEE" interesting; it is part of the name HEALEY
[spelling doesn't matter, cos people did not know how to spell in ancient times]

... and my suspect has LEE bloodline connections


Probably just a co- incidence, but worth noting IMO


Tin hat on and bunkered down 

Katrice had a squint in one eye, which can be seen in the 2 pictures at this link.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/katrice-lee-fresh-fight-over-daughter-of-hartlepool-soldier-who-vanished-in-germany-36-years-ago-1-8880138

[Lace]

The UK police we not involved in the investigation of MBM on her disappearance,There is no file on her here in the UK as she was not reported missing in the UK. On their return without a UK  child citizen the parents were not charged with neglect or anything in this country- which is astonishing. The UK police were coerced by the parents and their celebrity band wagon to get the case reviewed. this turned into an investigation.

So to summarise there was no open/closed case  for, MBM in the UK. Therefore, no new evidence was presented  in the UK to open a non case.

I don't quite follow what you are saying in your post.   Apart from you finding it astonishing that the McCann's were not charged with neglect or anything in this country,  no they weren't,  Social Services decided not to charge them,  so if you are astonished then take it up with them.

The police were coerced by the parents and their celebrity band wagon to get the case reviewed,   again you sound bitter about that.   I signed the petition for a review and I can honestly say I am not a celebrity.   

No evidence was presented to the UK to open a non case.   Oh dear,  you are sounding very bitter indeed.  SY read through the evidence presented to the Portuguese Police and the Private investigators,  they found leads that hadn't been taken up,  the Portuguese Police had shelved the case,  SY decided there were leads that needed investigation and so opened the case.   IMO

[barrier]

I don't quite follow what you are saying in your post.   Apart from you finding it astonishing that the McCann's were not charged with neglect or anything in this country,  no they weren't,  Social Services decided not to charge them,  so if you are astonished then take it up with them.

The police were coerced by the parents and their celebrity band wagon to get the case reviewed,   again you sound bitter about that.   I signed the petition for a review and I can honestly say I am not a celebrity.   

No evidence was presented to the UK to open a non case.   Oh dear,  you are sounding very bitter indeed.  SY read through the evidence presented to the Portuguese Police and the Private investigators,  they found leads that hadn't been taken up,  the Portuguese Police had shelved the case,  SY decided there were leads that needed investigation and so opened the case.   IMO

With no outcome then it can be reasonably argued that the PJ were right not to follow these said leads,its cost upward of £11 million and counting to not find out what happened, its been asked before but just what budget do the PJ receive and why should a special budget be set aside for the McCann case above others?

[Angelo222]

With no outcome then it can be reasonably argued that the PJ were right not to follow these said leads,its cost upward of £11 million and counting to not find out what happened, its been asked before but just what budget do the PJ receive and why should a special budget be set aside for the McCann case above others?

I find it offensive that so much public money has been spent on a family whose attitude towards the Portuguese police has been so appalling.  Kate McCanns published diatribes towards the two GNR officers who initially responded to the report that a child had gone missing, towards PJ liaison officer Paiva and PJ coordinator Amaral are well documented. No wonder she attracts criticism wherever she goes.

[Miss Taken Identity]

How interesting but very sad.

So Katrice Lee had an eye condition. 
I wonder if it is a Coloboma like Madeleines eye condition.  Is it a genetic defect?   Could it be that both girls are from similar bloodlines?   

I mention it because I find the name "LEE" interesting; it is part of the name HEALEY
[spelling doesn't matter, cos people did not know how to spell in ancient times]

... and my suspect has LEE bloodline connections


Probably just a co- incidence, but worth noting IMO


Tin hat on and bunkered down 

I think you should bring this to the attention of OG. There is a deffo connection. It  worries me that we have  a blood line kidnapper on the loose in Europe, thank god for Brexit.  Who will be next in this blood line I wonder.

Can you do projection analysis chats  Sadie.. people should be warned about this

[Vertigo Swirl]

I find it offensive that so much public money has been spent on a family whose attitude towards the Portuguese police has been so appalling.  Kate McCanns published diatribes towards the two GNR officers who initially responded to the report that a child had gone missing, towards PJ liaison officer Paiva and PJ coordinator Amaral are well documented. No wonder she attracts criticism wherever she goes.

It strikes me as odd that as far as some people are concerned the PJ should be off limits as far as any criticism of their handling of the case is concerned, whilst the same people are scathing and contemptuous of those running Operation Grange.  Why is that, in your opinion?

[slartibartfast]

It strikes me as odd that as far as some people are concerned the PJ should be off limits as far as any criticism of their handling of the case is concerned, whilst the same people are scathing and contemptuous of those running Operation Grange.  Why is that, in your opinion?

Provides balance.