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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2013, 08:52:22 PM »
I can only speak on this subject from a personal perspective

About 18 years ago I experienced a situation so stressful that I pray to God  I never do again

I remember every detail of it to this day  ...  what I was wearing,  what others were wearing,  what I said word for  word,  and what others said ...  I remember the expressions on the faces of others  and the surroundins to the most minute detail 

I wish I didn't,  to be honest  ...  I wish I could forget  ...  but it is burned onto mind like no other memory I have

I don't know if I am an  exception or if others who have experienced extremely stressful situations would concur,  but that is my perspective on the subject of stress and memory

That is exactly what happens, Icabod.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2013, 08:54:52 PM »

I didn't get very far in your article until I came across this....

Violence of event—the more violent the event, the harder it is to remember correctly.
Stress to witness—increasing stress first helps perception, then hinders it. The crossover point varies with the difficulty of the task.


So thanks for showing how stress may have caused the MccAnnns recall problems

You have to read the whole article and put all the pieces together. It is about how all these elements work in conjunction with each other. I can find a shorter summary.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2013, 08:55:08 PM »
The so-called flashbulb memory syndrome, of which the JFK assassination is the classic example, is not about how closely related to the event a person is , or how much it actually affected them, as the assassination would have affected JFK's wife.

The concept relates to how the 'bystanders', near or far, reacted - the 'I'll never forget where I was when I heard the news' phenomenon. Anne refers to this in that thread as well and this is the conversation to which I was referring in my previous post here.

If I were to ask you, Davel, where were you on September 11th 2001, you would, like the rest of us, be able to give a reasonably detailed account of where you were and what you were doing, much more so than a random date plucked from the calendar. That ability has nothing whatsoever to do with your actual connection to the event itself. It has everything to do, however, with how memory works when it comes to recounting what we did in our own lives, and hence its study is an important tool in cases like this one.

Sorry Sherlock but the article you quoted proves my point. perhaps you didn't read it properly,
, You are talking about memory without assessing the role of stress in recall

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2013, 08:56:47 PM »
You have to read the whole article and put all the pieces together. It is about how all these elements work in conjunction with each other. I can find a shorter summary.

Don't bother Sherlock, just google memory and stress, there are thousands of articles

Offline Luz

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2013, 08:57:50 PM »
Seeing as it is a medical fact that stress effects memory in a negative way, this surely explains the minor inconsistencies in the McCann statements

If it is true that stress may interfere with, your memory recovery (especially about events in the past, before the stressing event, or post-stress short-term memory) it is also true that highly emotional stressing situations implement the memory. That's why there are post-traumatic stress disorders. People that suffered highly stressing situations, like personal losses, warfare situations, natural disasters, sometimes cannot forget those events and become highly disturbed - they keep reviving those events.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2013, 09:02:53 PM »
Sorry Sherlock but the article you quoted proves my point. perhaps you didn't read it properly,
, You are talking about memory without assessing the role of stress in recall

Well I personally am not really trying to prove any 'point' other than the fact that, applying the well-known research out there to the witness accounts of T9, regarding the fact that their respective stories contain differences, one can see that those anomalies fall very much within what is considered to be the scientific / psychological norm.

In other words, there are slight deviations in what is being said and recounted by T9 - for the various reasons listed in the report I quoted - and this is exactly what is to be expected. Nothing suspicious about it at all.   

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2013, 09:06:19 PM »
Don't bother Sherlock, just google memory and stress, there are thousands of articles

Thanks for the google tip but I studied memory and stress for two years as part of a psychology degree.

There definitely has been more research conducted since the work I learned of a few years back, admittedly.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2013, 09:08:30 PM »
Thanks for the google tip but I studied memory and stress for two years as part of a psychology degree.

There definitely has been more research conducted since the work I learned of a few years back, admittedly.

The point I am trying to make is that there are those on this forum who have accused the McCanns of lying.
My light bulb moment was when I realised how stress can really shoot to pieces a persons memory.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2013, 09:15:10 PM »
If it is true that stress may interfere with, your memory recovery (especially about events in the past, before the stressing event, or post-stress short-term memory) it is also true that highly emotional stressing situations implement the memory. That's why there are post-traumatic stress disorders. People that suffered highly stressing situations, like personal losses, warfare situations, natural disasters, sometimes cannot forget those events and become highly disturbed - they keep reviving those events.

I agree with you Luz.

In fact many studies have shown that the 're-living' aspects of PSDM are more profound and intense, in other words, more unpleasant, than the original trauma. The soldier returning from the battlefield experiences all kinds of stresses and traumas in all areas of his life, that were unknown and irrelevant in the midst of the fight, when he was simply fighting for his life and focused entirely on that. A mark of how our response to an event is an evolving process, in terms of types of stress, how that stress is manifest in different circumstances, and of the different stages of memory.

There was a study performed recently in which participants watched videos of unpleasant events that they had lived through. Brain function measured in each instance to compare the different responses. It turned out that watching the video of the events produced a far higher degree of arousal - in other words, a strong negative physical reaction - than the reaction to the real-life event.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2013, 09:17:16 PM »
The point I am trying to make is that there are those on this forum who have accused the McCanns of lying.
My light bulb moment was when I realised how stress can really shoot to pieces a persons memory.

Well I have to agree with you about the lying, so-called.

If the McCanns and others were lying, their accounts probably would have been exactly the same.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2013, 09:27:08 PM »
Well I have to agree with you about the lying, so-called.

If the McCanns and others were lying, their accounts probably would have been exactly the same.

how refreshing to see some common sense

stephen25000

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Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2013, 09:32:30 PM »
The accounts of the Mccanns and group merged after the Rothley meeting.

Mmm. >@@(*&)

They lied.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2013, 09:36:30 PM »
The accounts of the Mccanns and group merged after the Rothley meeting.

Mmm. >@@(*&)

They lied.

Now you are lying, the statementss were all taken in Portugal before the rothley meeting

stephen25000

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Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2013, 09:41:28 PM »
Now you are lying, the statementss were all taken in Portugal before the rothley meeting

No lies.

Not quite as simple as that.

Why did they have the meeting in Rothley after the return from Portugal ?

Lyall

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Re: Memory and stress
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2013, 09:43:22 PM »
The point I am trying to make is that there are those on this forum who have accused the McCanns of lying.
My light bulb moment was when I realised how stress can really shoot to pieces a persons memory.

You might be right, davel, but stress can also lead to panic and people doing bizarre things. It's a double-edged sword.