Memory and stress

[puglove]

I accept what you believe shona.

My experiences are somewhat different.

Do you accept that, sometimes, the smallest inconsequential fact could be of the most importance?

[Sherlock Holmes]

That's very true. Now why you do remember futile things ? Ask Sigmund ?

If you remember them, the're not futile to you.

That's why we remember all the tiny details at the time of something traumatic. Not because they are intrinsically important - who cares if I am wearing black shoes or brown - but because they are part of our experience of the event. Important through association.

[puglove]

Get back to you tomorrow  shona.

Night.

Oh well, there you go.

The bottom line is....if Gerry and Kate hadn't have been so wanky and silly, and have treasured those much-wanted IVF children, it would be a different story.

[Mr Gray]

You can't make that claim to people who have experienced great trauma ...   and recall every detail with absolute clarity,  even years later

It's not a question of not believing you  ...  it is a question of knowing you are wrong,   from personal experience

You want to disregard proven scientific evidence that stress affects memory negatively because of your personal experience. Like the man who smokes 100 cigarettes a day and lives till hes a 100. Its called head in the sand mentality.

[icabodcrane]

You want to disregard proven scientific evidence that stress affects memory negatively because of your personal experience. Like the man who smokes 100 cigarettes a day and lives till hes a 100. Its called head in the sand mentality.

No 

I just say that it is not possible to disregard  personal experience on the basis of scientific evidence

I think that it is a fair opinion

[Mr Gray]

No 

I just say that it is not possible to disregard  personal experience on the basis of scientific evidence

I think that it is a fair opinion

As I said, personal experience is the man who smokes 100 cigarettes a day and lives till hes 100. You don't seem to understand science

[icabodcrane]

As I said, personal experience is the man who smokes 100 cigarettes a day and lives till hes 100. You don't seem to understand science

And you don't understand that the classic propaganda technique of using pseudo-intellectual bull-shit  or technicalese  (  the use of technical-sounding garbage that means little or nothing  )  matters not a jot when people  are able to use their own life experience to come to their own conclusions

[Mr Gray]

And you don't understand that the classic propaganda technique of using pseudo-intellectual bull-shit  or technicalese  (  the use of technical-sounding garbage that means little or nothing  )  matters not a jot when people  are able to use their own life experience to come to their own conclusions

I think you have lost it.
Do you rate PubMed as pseudo intellectual bull shit or classic propaganda. You really haven't got the slightest clue what you are talking about. I have. That is the proven scientific relationship between stress and memory. Not just my opinion. You see, when I use scientific words I actually understand them, they are not technical sounding garbage. I suppose the problem is that you don't.

[Mr Gray]

haven't finished...
What supplies evidence isn't our own personal experience, that's anecdotal evidence. Real evidence comes from proper scientific research and double blind trials...but I suppose all thats gone totally over your head

[stephen25000]

I think you have lost it.
Do you rate PubMed as pseudo intellectual bull shit or classic propaganda. You really haven't got the slightest clue what you are talking about. I have. That is the proven scientific relationship between stress and memory. Not just my opinion. You see, when I use scientific words I actually understand them, they are not technical sounding garbage. I suppose the problem is that you don't.

You haven't proved one iota the Mccanns and associates gave truthful accounts of what happened.

[Mr Gray]

You haven't proved one iota the Mccanns and associates gave truthful accounts of what happened.

I didn't intend to that's impossible on this board. What I have proved is that stress has  a negative effect on memory. If you are a chemistry graduate you will understand the difference between scientific and anecdotal evidence..lets see if you do

[icabodcrane]

I didn't intend to that's impossible on this board. What I have proved is that stress has  a negative effect on memory. If you are a chemistry graduate you will understand the difference between scientific and anecdotal evidence..lets see if you do

What do you mean ....  "That's impossible on  this  board"   ? 

Is your argument so weak that it will not stand up to scrutiny on a broad-church forum  ? 

[Mr Gray]

What do you mean ....  "That's impossible on  this  board"   ? 

Is your argument so weak that it will not stand up to scrutiny on a broad-church forum  ?

Given up on the memory thing have you. Seeing as you are unwilling, or too unintelligent to accept incontrovertible proof that memory is affected by stress it would be impossible to prove ANYTHING on this board

[Cariad]

Given up on the memory thing have you. Seeing as you are unwilling, or too unintelligent to accept incontrovertible proof that memory is affected by stress it would be impossible to prove ANYTHING on this board

That memory is negatively affected by stress is not a fact, it's a hypothesis. 30 years ago the opposite was believed. The research is on going and as far as I'm aware, the latest studies show that people believe that they recall stressful events more clearly than non stressful events, but that they actually degrade at the same rate. There was some interesting research done around the 9/11 bombings.

My personal experience is that my memory of the most stressful event of my life is permanently ingrained on my brain. This isn't falsifiable though, so entirely unscientific.

I should add that I am not a scientist. I have a terrible fondness for pop science books though, which basically means I know a little about a lot.

Cariad.

[stephen25000]

I didn't intend to that's impossible on this board. What I have proved is that stress has  a negative effect on memory. If you are a chemistry graduate you will understand the difference between scientific and anecdotal evidence..lets see if you do

Indeed I am and I do.


You have not proved that stress caused the mccanns to lie, they could have lied to conceal the truth.


P.S. On the matter of Chemistry, do you know your pH from your pOH  ?