Memory and stress

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Mmm.

Another representative from the Mccann supporters club.

AKA the STM forum...

There is a whole lot of nonsense spoken about these statements about front/back door, with McCann apologists frantically scrambling to demonstrate how it's perfectly reasonable for someone to mistake front and back doors as the poor lambs were on holiday and couldn't possibly know what they were talking about.  If this had been something to do with Amaral and his men's farcical Cipriano incident and one of the protagonists was claiming he got mixed up between the front and back door, they'd all have black caps on and be tying a hangman's noose into a piece of rope. The hypocrisy and double-standards they demonstrate when looking at either side of the moral (and legal) coin is breathtaking.

It's utterly clear to those of us with a brain that the first statement was going to be the McCanns official story and it wasn't until Gerry was caught out by John Hill's statement during Gerry's interview that the story had to change.

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It is well documented that translations of statements are even more unreliable than statements made in a common language.

Well then if it's "well documented" then it'll only take you a moment to find a few examples.  Off you pop, we'll wait right here.

[stephen25000]

AKA the STM forum...

There is a whole lot of nonsense spoken about these statements about front/back door, with McCann apologists frantically scrambling to demonstrate how it's perfectly reasonable for someone to mistake front and back doors as the poor lambs were on holiday and couldn't possibly know what they were talking about.  If this had been something to do with Amaral and his men's farcical Cipriano incident and one of the protagonists was claiming he got mixed up between the front and back door, they'd all have black caps on and be tying a hangman's noose into a piece of rope. The hypocrisy and double-standards they demonstrate when looking at either side of the moral (and legal) coin is breathtaking.

It's utterly clear to those of us with a brain that the first statement was going to be the McCanns official story and it wasn't until Gerry was caught out by John Hill's statement during Gerry's interview that the story had to change.

Yes, you've got it in one.

[Benice]

AKA the STM forum...

There is a whole lot of nonsense spoken about these statements about front/back door, with McCann apologists frantically scrambling to demonstrate how it's perfectly reasonable for someone to mistake front and back doors as the poor lambs were on holiday and couldn't possibly know what they were talking about.  If this had been something to do with Amaral and his men's farcical Cipriano incident and one of the protagonists was claiming he got mixed up between the front and back door, they'd all have black caps on and be tying a hangman's noose into a piece of rope. The hypocrisy and double-standards they demonstrate when looking at either side of the moral (and legal) coin is breathtaking.

It's utterly clear to those of us with a brain that the first statement was going to be the McCanns official story and it wasn't until Gerry was caught out by John Hill's statement during Gerry's interview that the story had to change.

There was no language barrier in the Cipriano incident.   IMO The worst thing that happened to the McCanns aside from the abduction of their daughter was the fact that they were in a foreign country and did not speak the language.   To pretend it could not have had  negative effect on the proceedings is unrealistic IMO.

We have not seen the actual signed witness statement, only someone else's condensed version of it which as far as I know was not signed. 

If you think Gerry was deliberately lying then explain what his motive was and what he had to gain from telling such a daft lie.     No-one with half a brain cell was going to believe that he would walk past the little gate - from where he could gain entry to 5A in a matter of seconds and instead choose the very much longer way round.  Do you really think he was so stupid as not to realise that?

Right from the start no-one made any secret of the fact that the patio door was unlocked.








 

[stephen25000]

There was no language barrier in the Cipriano incident.   IMO The worst thing that happened to the McCanns aside from the abduction of their daughter was the fact that they were in a foreign country and did not speak the language.   To pretend it could not have had  negative effect on the proceedings is unrealistic IMO.

We have not seen the actual signed witness statement, only someone else's condensed version of it which as far as I know was not signed. 

If you think Gerry was deliberately lying then explain what his motive was and what he had to gain from telling such a daft lie.     No-one with half a brain cell was going to believe that he would walk past the little gate - from where he could gain entry to 5A in a matter of seconds and instead choose the very much longer way round.  Do you really think he was so stupid as not to realise that?

Right from the start no-one made any secret of the fact that the patio door was unlocked.

Why do you pretend the abduction is a fact as you repeatedly state it.

There is no else to blame for Madeleine's disappearance other than the Mccanns.

[sadie]

Why do you pretend the abduction is a fact as you repeatedly state it.

There is no else to blame for Madeleine's disappearance other than the Mccanns.

So according to your logic, a woman in a miniskirt is to be blamed for being raped?

[stephen25000]

So according to your logic, a woman in a miniskirt is to be blamed for being raped?

What rubbish.

How many times have we heard that ?

That is a nauseating comparison, but no more than what I have come to expect.

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There was no language barrier in the Cipriano incident.   IMO The worst thing that happened to the McCanns aside from the abduction of their daughter was the fact that they were in a foreign country and did not speak the language.   To pretend it could not have had  negative effect on the proceedings is unrealistic IMO.

We have not seen the actual signed witness statement, only someone else's condensed version of it which as far as I know was not signed. 

If you think Gerry was deliberately lying then explain what his motive was and what he had to gain from telling such a daft lie.     No-one with half a brain cell was going to believe that he would walk past the little gate - from where he could gain entry to 5A in a matter of seconds and instead choose the very much longer way round.  Do you really think he was so stupid as not to realise that?

Right from the start no-one made any secret of the fact that the patio door was unlocked.

Where to start...  As the patio door could only be locked from the inside and Gerry in his first statement mentions using his key to get in (and Kate, apparently) then what other door could he be talking about?

As he then goes on to say in his second statment, "Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside," it is abundantly clear to all but those who have an agenda that his first statement referred to him going in through the front door. No amount of pyschobabble claptrap about stressful/traumatic incidents affecting the memory and/or mistranslations is going to hide the fact that Gerry clearly lied in his first statement as, at that time, their "story" was going to be that the abductor got in via the window (smashed/broken/jemmied/jimmed shutters, whatever) because both the front and back doors were locked because, well, they were, like, responsible parents you know?

Why would he lie?  Because he's one of those people that thinks they're cleverer than the police, particularly sardine-munching johnny-foreigner cops, is one reason I can immediately think of.

[Benice]

Why do you pretend the abduction is a fact as you repeatedly state it.There is no else to blame for Madeleine's disappearance other than the Mccanns.

Because I believe SY know far more about the case than you do and so I agree with their conclusions rather than yours.   

[icabodcrane]

So according to your logic, a woman in a miniskirt is to be blamed for being raped?

That is such a silly argument

When a woman wears a short skirt she is not putting herself at risk of rape

To compare that with the very real risks involved in leaving three infants under the age of four,  alone and vulnerable in an unescured apartment  is quite ridiculous 

[sadie]

AKA the STM forum...

There is a whole lot of nonsense spoken about these statements about front/back door, with McCann apologists frantically scrambling to demonstrate how it's perfectly reasonable for someone to mistake front and back doors as the poor lambs were on holiday and couldn't possibly know what they were talking about.  If this had been something to do with Amaral and his men's farcical Cipriano incident and one of the protagonists was claiming he got mixed up between the front and back door, they'd all have black caps on and be tying a hangman's noose into a piece of rope. The hypocrisy and double-standards they demonstrate when looking at either side of the moral (and legal) coin is breathtaking.

It's utterly clear to those of us with a brain that the first statement was going to be the McCanns official story and it wasn't until Gerry was caught out by John Hill's statement during Gerry's interview that the story had to change.

Why dont you face facts C.Ed?  For about 4 years the front and back door of 5A were dreadfully muddled in interested peoples minds.  That was in both pro and anti forums.

I got so exasperated that I put up a special post using North and South to specifically sort people out ... and gradually, with GE images to help, people ideas became sorted and correct.

Especially with the Mccann flat, it is very understandable that front and back should have been confused.
Not many places have a back door that opens on to a street and that door was the door most used by the family and most photographed.

It is obvious why there was confusion and people thought that it was the front door.  I did myself for quite a while ... and I bet, if you were honest, you would admit that you got confused too for a long time.



It is the same as the distance of the Tapas restaurant from 5A
150 metres, 200 metres and even much further was mentioned over and over ... especially on the "put the boot in", anti forums ... and they were wrong.  For severalyears, I was shouting it from the roof tops that it was 50 metres, but few knew how to measure on GE and the longer distances had becme entrenched in peoples minds

This incorrect much longer distance did enormous damage to The Mccanns and it wasn't until I published, step by step instructions on how to check the distance using GE ... that [ censored word] shut up and stopped shouting the much longer distances.

Cos they knew that anyone could check and that they would be proved liars.



I just wish that Kate had learned how to use GE before her book was published.   Kate is clearly impecibly honest and rather than cause controversy, in her ignorance of the true distance, gave a much longer distance. 
I forget, was it double the actual distance?

[Benice]

Where to start...  As the patio door could only be locked from the inside and Gerry in his first statement mentions using his key to get in (and Kate, apparently) then what other door could he be talking about?

As he then goes on to say in his second statment, "Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside," it is abundantly clear to all but those who have an agenda that his first statement referred to him going in through the front door. No amount of pyschobabble claptrap about stressful/traumatic incidents affecting the memory and/or mistranslations is going to hide the fact that Gerry clearly lied in his first statement as, at that time, their "story" was going to be that the abductor got in via the window (smashed/broken/jemmied/jimmed shutters, whatever) because both the front and back doors were locked because, well, they were, like, responsible parents you know?

Why would he lie?  Because he's one of those people that thinks they're cleverer than the police, particularly sardine-munching johnny-foreigner cops, is one reason I can immediately think of.

Is that supposed to be a credible reason for why he should deliberately lie?   I thought better of you C.Ed.

If you really think that physical and mental exhaustion can have no effect on a traumatised person during a long drawn out interview, where everything was having to be translated back and forth, and where every second you were hoping that someone would come through the door and tell you your daughter had been found- and falling deeper into despair when that didnt happen -  then I can only conclude you have no ability to empathise.

If GM decided to lie about the doors, then he must have had a very good reason - what is it?  What exactly did he have to gain from it?  How would it assist him - to make such an obviously unbelievable claim? 

 
 

[sadie]

Where to start...  As the patio door could only be locked from the inside and Gerry in his first statement mentions using his key to get in (and Kate, apparently) then what other door could he be talking about?

As he then goes on to say in his second statment, "Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside," it is abundantly clear to all but those who have an agenda that his first statement referred to him going in through the front door. No amount of pyschobabble claptrap about stressful/traumatic incidents affecting the memory and/or mistranslations is going to hide the fact that Gerry clearly lied in his first statement as, at that time, their "story" was going to be that the abductor got in via the window (smashed/broken/jemmied/jimmed shutters, whatever) because both the front and back doors were locked because, well, they were, like, responsible parents you know?

Why would he lie?  Because he's one of those people that thinks they're cleverer than the police, particularly sardine-munching johnny-foreigner cops, is one reason I can immediately think of.

I dont think that you have ever had a huge trauma in your life C.Ed.  I have when I watched my little boy slowly dying. 

I know what it did to me, my mind and my  memory. 

It jumbled every thought up and there were massive blanks in my memory.  My mind was either crazily racing or dead as a dodo.  I rarely functioned.  I thank God for all the good friends and strangers who rallied round to suppport us.

No "put the boot in freaks" around then.  Everyone was magnaminous, totally generous, in their support for our little family.

[Carana]

Where to start...  As the patio door could only be locked from the inside and Gerry in his first statement mentions using his key to get in (and Kate, apparently) then what other door could he be talking about?

As he then goes on to say in his second statment, "Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside," it is abundantly clear to all but those who have an agenda that his first statement referred to him going in through the front door. No amount of pyschobabble claptrap about stressful/traumatic incidents affecting the memory and/or mistranslations is going to hide the fact that Gerry clearly lied in his first statement as, at that time, their "story" was going to be that the abductor got in via the window (smashed/broken/jemmied/jimmed shutters, whatever) because both the front and back doors were locked because, well, they were, like, responsible parents you know?

Why would he lie?  Because he's one of those people that thinks they're cleverer than the police, particularly sardine-munching johnny-foreigner cops, is one reason I can immediately think of.

So why would this be recorded in the same 4 May statement?

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building.

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So why would this be recorded in the same 4 May statement?

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building.

What's hearsay about Matt got to do with Gerry McCann?  Furthermore it clearly proves once and for all the Gerry McCann was talking about the front door and not the patio door. Thanks Carana!