The name calling which marks this case out.

[Carana]

How do you know that before the GNR arrived, they hadn't done exactly the same in the privacy of their apartment ?

How do any of us know if upon the GNR arriving, they were in further despair because someone told them that The GNR were not the "proper Police", they are actually soldiers. They were not detectives deakling with Kidnaps etc., but merely according to:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Republican_Guard_(Portugal)

[The GNR is] responsible for the preventive police and highway patrol in the countryside and small towns of Mainland Portugal

also,

At national level, GNR also has duties of customs enforcement, coastal control, nature protection, search and rescue operations and state ceremonial guards of honor.



The PJ , however, are the police responsible for kidnappings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol%C3%ADcia_Judici%C3%A1ria

(Judicial Police) is the national criminal investigation police agency of Portugal, focused in fighting serious crimes, including homicides, kidnapping, organized crime, terrorism, illegal drug trade, corruption, cybercrime and financial crime. It is integrated into the Ministry of Justice, but operates under the supervision of the Public Ministry.



Were they upset, destitute even, that having waited so long, the WRONG force arrived ?

What a botch up with the Golden Hour already gone!   But with some of the "silver" hour still available !

Little wonder after the stress of waiting so long to then get the wrong force there that they collapsed, imo

In rural areas, the GNR is the police force that gets called out. It's then up to them to call the PJ. AFAIK, no ordinary citizen can directly call for the PJ, which is the serious crime brigade.

The other issue is that there was no police first-responder protocol for missing children at the time. I find it understandable that they were a bit bewildered in an unfamiliar situation, with people running around like headless chickens or simply too distraught to make much sense initially, with a language barrier, and a missing child who - at that time - might have just wandered off.

I can understand the impression that they were simply standing around, appearing a bit lost, but presumably, they were trying to get information about the situation and the OC had already sprung into action.

[sadie]

Talking of name calling I've just noticed that someone called Darren Osbourne has been called an Idiot over 8,700 times on this forum.

Time that I removed that.  It was probably posted in June/July last year.  I quite forgot that it would come up on previous posts as well !

Darren Osbourne, inciting Racial Hatred, a cruel and unthinking act, deliberately mowing Muslims down with a hire van outside a Mosque as they were leaving. 
I think that he is an idiot, but I find that he has got his punishment now ... and it is time to back off. 

Let Justice take its course.

[slartibartfast]

How do you know that before the GNR arrived, they hadn't done exactly the same in the privacy of their apartment ?

How do any of us know if upon the GNR arriving, they were in further despair because someone told them that The GNR were not the "proper Police", they are actually soldiers. They were not detectives deakling with Kidnaps etc., but merely according to:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Republican_Guard_(Portugal)

[The GNR is] responsible for the preventive police and highway patrol in the countryside and small towns of Mainland Portugal

also,

At national level, GNR also has duties of customs enforcement, coastal control, nature protection, search and rescue operations and state ceremonial guards of honor.



The PJ , however, are the police responsible for kidnappings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol%C3%ADcia_Judici%C3%A1ria

(Judicial Police) is the national criminal investigation police agency of Portugal, focused in fighting serious crimes, including homicides, kidnapping, organized crime, terrorism, illegal drug trade, corruption, cybercrime and financial crime. It is integrated into the Ministry of Justice, but operates under the supervision of the Public Ministry.



Were they upset, destitute even, that having waited so long, the WRONG force arrived ?

What a botch up with the Golden Hour already gone!   But with some of the "silver" hour still available !

Little wonder after the stress of waiting so long to then get the wrong force there that they collapsed, imo

GNR Search and Rescue
PJ Murder and Kidnapping

Seems reasonable when someone goes missing to send the GNR in first.

[G-Unit]

GNR Search and Rescue
PJ Murder and Kidnapping

Seems reasonable when someone goes missing to send the GNR in first.

Mark Warner called the police, and they were organising searches for a wandered child at the time, as they continued to do all night. Were they told that it was an abduction? Why didn't they listen?

[ShiningInLuz]

Mark Warner called the police, and they were organising searches for a wandered child at the time, as they continued to do all night. Were they told that it was an abduction? Why didn't they listen?

That's a critical point.

When did 'abduction' enter the fray?

If the GNR had to prioritise between a security call in Odiaxere, and an abduction in Luz, which one would have come out on top?

I don't know the content of the calls from the OC to GNR Lagos, but nothing is suggestive of 'abduction'.

[Mr Gray]

That's a critical point.

When did 'abduction' enter the fray?

If the GNR had to prioritise between a security call in Odiaxere, and an abduction in Luz, which one would have come out on top?

I don't know the content of the calls from the OC to GNR Lagos, but nothing is suggestive of 'abduction'.

As far, as the officials were concerned abduction entered the fray when maddie was not found within the first few hours

[misty]

That's a critical point.

When did 'abduction' enter the fray?

If the GNR had to prioritise between a security call in Odiaxere, and an abduction in Luz, which one would have come out on top?

I don't know the content of the calls from the OC to GNR Lagos, but nothing is suggestive of 'abduction'.

"A security alarm has gone off" v "A 3 year old girl is missing in the dark near water".

No contest - unless property is more valuable than human life.

[jassi]

"A security alarm has gone off" v "A 3 year old girl is missing in the dark near water".

No contest - unless property is more valuable than human life.

If the calls came in simultaneously then the child would get priority, but police otherwise would respond to the earlier call.

[Lace]

Talking of name calling I've just noticed that someone called Darren Osbourne has been called an Idiot over 8,700 times on this forum.

I believe the nickname given to Andy Redwood was 'Deadwood'  wasn't it and this man was just doing his job too.

[ShiningInLuz]

If the calls came in simultaneously then the child would get priority, but police otherwise would respond to the earlier call.

I think people are missing the point.

If the 10.41 call was of sufficient urgency, why not interrupt the Odiaxere work to attend to something of higher priority?

If the 10.41 call was of sufficient urgency, why not despatch a second car to Luz immediately?

One obvious explanation is that the 10.41 call was simply not of sufficient urgency.

[barrier]

I believe the nickname given to Andy Redwood was 'Deadwood'  wasn't it and this man was just doing his job too.

The failure of the digs to present any thing new  during his tenure would suggest not very well.

[sadie]

The failure of the digs to present any thing new  during his tenure would suggest not very well.

what do you think that the digs were about?

I think they were done for two reasons:

1)  To confirm or otherwise suspicions put to them by the public or the PJ
2)  To clear the way for their final theory; the one that they appear to be going thru at the moment

Remember OG also used criss cross flights .... using ground penetrating radar?

Seems that they are pretty convinced that Madeleine is not buried anywhere, so it is
all-guns-go on their final theory

OMO and it might not be correct, but is plausible

[jassi]

I think people are missing the point.

If the 10.41 call was of sufficient urgency, why not interrupt the Odiaxere work to attend to something of higher priority?

If the 10.41 call was of sufficient urgency, why not despatch a second car to Luz immediately?

One obvious explanation is that the 10.41 call was simply not of sufficient urgency.

I rather got the impression that there only was one car on duty that night, covering a large area.

[barrier]

what do you think that the digs were about?

I think they were done for two reasons:

1)  To confirm or otherwise suspicions put to them by the public or the PJ
2)  To clear the way for their final theory; the one that they appear to be going thru at the moment

Remember OG also used criss cross flights .... using ground penetrating radar?

Seems that they are pretty convinced that Madeleine is not buried anywhere, so it is
all-guns-go on their final theory

OMO and it might not be correct, but is plausible

We're going away from topic,but come at it the other way,OG were convinced she was buried there, why else go to the expense of the flights and and digs,only to end up where they were some 7 yrs previous.

[ShiningInLuz]

I rather got the impression that there only was one car on duty that night, covering a large area.

How many GNR officers responded that night, and surely they did not all use their own cars?