Crecheman's identity finally revealed

[Mr Gray]

Oh well tell me more. This was a planned snatch right?  How long did it take to jemmy the shutters and open a window grab a child - clean all the DNA and Not leave any marks on the nice white walls...  I recon quite a while but then I am not as much an expert in abduction as you seem to be.


I am assuming you are comparing like for like?

There was an expert on the despatches programme and he suggested a few minutes.. But he is an expert and as you day you are not..and SY think abduction is possible...and of course the y may well ahve left dna but the pj didnt find it

[Vertigo Swirl]

Oh well tell me more. This was a planned snatch right?  How long did it take to jemmy the shutters and open a window grab a child - clean all the DNA and Not leave any marks on the nice white walls...  I recon quite a while but then I am not as much an expert in abduction as you seem to be.


I am assuming you are comparing like for like?

It would really help us to have a civil discussion if you kept facetious remarks to a minimum IMO.  You earlier asserted that the notion of entering an apartment and grabbing a child, and walking off with a child with her parent in close proximity was "pure fantasy".  I have cited one proven case where that has actually happened and that therefore it is possible for such a scenario to have happened again.  Perhaps you can tell me why it is simply not possible to have happened in PdL in 2007, in your opinion?

[faithlilly]

I was thinking about Crecheman. Redwood said he was ‘almost certain’ that Tannerman was Crecheman. Now if Crecheman had said he saw Gerry, Wilkins or/and Tanner Redwood would have been certain he was a Tannerman. so he obviously didn’t. You with me so far?

Now are we to believe that OG are not aware of the implications of Crecheman not seeing any of the group, even though the two men were talking and sound carries at night ?

[Miss Taken Identity]

There was an expert on the despatches programme and he suggested a few minutes.. But he is an expert and as you day you are not..and SY think abduction is possible...and of course the y may well ahve left dna but the pj didnt find it

Expert?  hahaha ok  so this 'abductor he was carrying MBM and a jemmy tool and didn't leave a single scuff mark on a white wall.  If you and your expert say so. You do not know what SY think. or if indeed they have changed their minds, and the PJ found NO EVIDENCE of a break in. Thing is  they were there  so I kinda believe them.

[Miss Taken Identity]

It would really help us to have a civil discussion if you kept facetious remarks to a minimum IMO.  You earlier asserted that the notion of entering an apartment and grabbing a child, and walking off with a child with her parent in close proximity was "pure fantasy".  I have cited one proven case where that has actually happened and that therefore it is possible for such a scenario to have happened again.  Perhaps you can tell me why it is simply not possible to have happened in PdL in 2007, in your opinion?

Well here you are again changing what I said and reinventing a version I do  not recognise. It would be helpful to discuss what the posts is relaying rather than what you want it to relay.

I do not believe for one minute an 'abductor'  jemmying a shutter, opening a window, snatching a child  the same as a child being snatched without any of that hassle from say a shopping mall or a park. Totally different. How would that 'abductor' know the child wouldn't wake up screaming,crying- what if he banged his head struggling to get out of the small space carrying a child and a jimmy tool... No believable at all.

[Alice Purjorick]

I was thinking about Crecheman. Redwood said he was ‘almost certain’ that Tannerman was Crecheman. Now if Crecheman had said he saw Gerry, Wilkins or/and Tanner Redwood would have been certain he was a Tannerman. so he obviously didn’t. You with me so far?

Now are we to believe that OG are not aware of the implications of Crecheman not seeing any of the group, even though the two men were talking and sound carries at night ?

Received five by five...

[Miss Taken Identity]

I was thinking about Crecheman. Redwood said he was ‘almost certain’ that Tannerman was Crecheman. Now if Crecheman had said he saw Gerry, Wilkins or/and Tanner Redwood would have been certain he was a Tannerman. so he obviously didn’t. You with me so far?

Now are we to believe that OG are not aware of the implications of Crecheman not seeing any of the group, even though the two men were talking and sound carries at night ?

Absolutely with you on this one Faith. I mentioned this many months ago. The person who came forward as 'tannerman' did they say what they saw that night in that street? or hear a conversation, whyu was the child in her bare feet with no cover  as it was a cold night 'according to JT.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well here you are again changing what I said and reinventing a version I do  not recognise. It would be helpful to discuss what the posts is relaying rather than what you want it to relay.

I do not believe for one minute an 'abductor'  jemmying a shutter, opening a window, snatching a child  the same as a child being snatched without any of that hassle from say a shopping mall or a park. Totally different. How would that 'abductor' know the child wouldn't wake up screaming,crying- what if he banged his head struggling to get out of the small space carrying a child and a jimmy tool... No believable at all.

I cited a child abducted from a private residence, from her bath, not a shopping mall or a park, so I don’t know why you are talking about those locations.  The child who was abducted from the bath was older than Madeleine and wide awake, so the rest of your post is moot.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was thinking about Crecheman. Redwood said he was ‘almost certain’ that Tannerman was Crecheman. Now if Crecheman had said he saw Gerry, Wilkins or/and Tanner Redwood would have been certain he was a Tannerman. so he obviously didn’t. You with me so far?

Now are we to believe that OG are not aware of the implications of Crecheman not seeing any of the group, even though the two men were talking and sound carries at night ?

How did JT know of Totman’s existence if she never saw him?

[faithlilly]

How did JT know of Totman’s existence if she never saw him?

She saw him but not at the same time as Gerry.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I cited a child abducted from a private residence, from her bath, not a shopping mall or a park, so I don’t know why you are talking about those locations.  The child who was abducted from the bath was older than Madeleine and wide awake, so the rest of your post is moot.

No actually your post is moot and irrelevant. Or are you suggesting MBM was abducted from a  bath?
 
Just to clarify for our interested fellow members, are you suggesting Kate is lying when she claims she knew MBM was abducted  as she pointed to the evidence the jimmied -shutter-open window and those whooshing curtains.
OR are you claiming the abductor did all of this and snatched MBM in a few moments under the clear view of JEZ GERRY JT AND Tannerman the good doctor. ?

Your claim that snatching from a bath is the same. It really isn't.

[Erngath]

No actually your post is moot and irrelevant. Or are you suggesting MBM was abducted from a  bath?
 
Just to clarify for our interested fellow members, are you suggesting Kate is lying when she claims she knew MBM was abducted  as she pointed to the evidence the jimmied -shutter-open window and those whooshing curtains.
OR are you claiming the abductor did all of this and snatched MBM in a few moments under the clear view of JEZ GERRY JT AND Tannerman the good doctor. ?

Your claim that snatching from a bath is the same. It really isn't.

Why is snatching from a bath, not the same as snatching from a bed?

[Carana]

I said Jane saw all 3 (Gerry, Jez and Totman). Totman should have seen all 3 as well but I doubt that as Gerry and Jez claimed they saw nobody.

Who says he did or he didn't see them? He may have noriced people in the quiet road,  but carried on if there was no audble vehicle to watch out for. Or he just blithely carried on in the absence of any  vroom-vroom noise coming up the street.

[Vertigo Swirl]

She saw him but not at the same time as Gerry.

If she saw him, she would know whether or not he looked down the street in her direction.  If he did so and she saw him when Gerry was not there then what would be the point of lying and saying he was there?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No actually your post is moot and irrelevant. Or are you suggesting MBM was abducted from a  bath?
 
Just to clarify for our interested fellow members, are you suggesting Kate is lying when she claims she knew MBM was abducted  as she pointed to the evidence the jimmied -shutter-open window and those whooshing curtains.
OR are you claiming the abductor did all of this and snatched MBM in a few moments under the clear view of JEZ GERRY JT AND Tannerman the good doctor. ?

Your claim that snatching from a bath is the same. It really isn't.

Why, is it easier to snatch an older child from a bath when a parent is present than a younger chil asleep in her bed when her parent is not present?