What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom

[sadie]

Sunset in Luz was 8.23pm on 3/5/07 iirc. There is a half hour of daylight after sunset before civil twilight commences which is "lighting up time". There would still be enough daylight at 9.10pm to see outside and the children's bedroom would not be in total darkness due to the open slats in the shutters. Gerry would have been able to see Madeleine in her bed without a great deal of difficulty.
By the time Kate got to the apartment, night darkness had fallen. Madeleine's bed was in the darkest part of the room, hence Kate could not see her as clearly as the twins in their cots closer to any street light penetrating the open window/shutters.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/portugal/faro to show variations of daylight/twilight times.

 

Good points misty  . 

How true, I had missed them

[Robin Banks]

As Davel says , light does reflect to some extent off white walls .

But what you haven't taken into account Robin, is the fact that The Mccanns left a lamp on in the sitting room, so the alcove would be lit from that.

Well you said it here Sadie.

[sadie]

And a thank you from me too, just goes to show the Chidren's bedroom was darker than I ever imagined.  Also it was a very unnatural environment for Children to sleep in, bit like a room without a window.

A lot of Continental Countries use shutters primarily, so i guess it is completely natural to them, even if strange to us, the first time we come across them.

[sadie]

I used to work in a very well known nightclub in London that had many alcoves,  I know how alcoves and light works, people are attracted to alcoves because they are dark and private, most drug deals are committed in such area's Sadie because of the darkness and privacy.  The Alcove shielded light from the bedroom, it didn't provide any light in my opinion.   

Night clubs tend to have black /dark walls.  Such walls absorb the light and do not reflect.  White walls bounce the light off them and do illuminate to a certain extent.

Suggest you try it in youir own hom.  It happens like that in ours.

[sadie]

If someone can prove me wrong I'm up for that, I don't have a problem with apologizing, you can't move forward if you think you are always right Sadie.

Exactly.

When I put my mini theory forward, there was much criticism from certain quarters ... but you know what ?   That criticism helped me to hone my theory until (it seems) there weren't any more holes ledft to pick in it.


Despite some people liking to portray me as such, I am not daft .... and what I do acknowledge is the fact that a theory, such as mine, whilst completely feasible, might not be what actually happened.

But it is good to have sound theories IMO because they give food for thought, and may be what actually happened.

As you learn more about layouts and the files etc. your theories will improve and may become etremely feasible.  Keep thinking, but i recommend that you listen to others comments and adjust your theories as needed

Now, i am off to bed

Nigh Night all

[Robin Banks]

Night clubs tend to have black /dark walls.  Such walls absorb the light and do not reflect.  White walls bounce the light off them and do illuminate to a certain extent.

Suggest you try it in youir own hom.  It happens like that in ours.

This nightclub is renowned for it's spectacular light show Sadie,  It's not a dark gloomy place Sadie it celebrates light and colourful Visuals that floods the club, but the alcoves are hidden by darkness

[sadie]

This nightclub is renowned for it's spectacular light show Sadie,  It's not a dark gloomy place Sadie it celebrates light and colourful Visuals that floods the club, but the alcoves are hidden by darkness

And i bet the alcoves have dark / black matt walls?

[Robin Banks]

And i bet the alcoves have dark / black matt walls?

Sadie, it wouldn't matter what the walls were covered in they would always be in shadow.

[slartibartfast]

Nah, slarti.  It would be totally unnatural to crane your neck forward that far.  Far easier to put one foot inside the room or even step right in.  First view would be the twins then Madeleine upon stepping in.

A strange way of checking on children you are worried about waking IMO.

[Erngath]

A strange way of checking on children you are worried about waking IMO.

Par for the course though.
Every McCann thought, action and word is strange ? or unusual? or different from the norm? not what one would expect, ?not as most people would do?
In the eyes of some. IMO.

[Robittybob1]

From the photos of 5A can we work out where the light in the lounge was positioned?

[slartibartfast]

Par for the course though.
Every McCann thought, action and word is strange ? or unusual? or different from the norm? not what one would expect, ?not as most people would do?
In the eyes of some. IMO.

Sadie’s theory appears to rely on Kate opening the door at arms length so seeing the cots first. I just suggested it more likely a tentative opening with eyes and ear close to door hence seeing Madeleine first. See #168

[jassi]

From the photos of 5A can we work out where the light in the lounge was positioned?

https://www.google.com/search?q=interior+of+5A++Mccann&safe=off&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj__evP64nbAhVE_qQKHViHBlkQ_AUICigB&biw=1277&bih=760#imgdii=2f0MzmfCaRza7M:&imgrc=l1xoDISuGXVjiM:

[Brietta]

Sadie’s theory appears to rely on Kate opening the door at arms length so seeing the cots first. I just suggested it more likely a tentative opening with eyes and ear close to door hence seeing Madeleine first. See #168

I don't think Kate intended to open the door.  Initially she was pulling it towards the position it was usually left in when it suddenly slammed.  She opened it only to find out the reason for that happening.

[kizzy]

I don't think Kate intended to open the door.  Initially she was pulling it towards the position it was usually left in when it suddenly slammed.  She opened it only to find out the reason for that happening.

So why didn't the door slam shut as soon as she came in - or had already slammed shut before she entered.