Will the appointment of Luis Neves have any impact on the Madeleine McCann case?

[Erngath]

It was his , the co ordinator's conclusion,   that Madeleine died in apartment 5A  and the parents  took part in the concealment of her body ?  Got rid of isn't a term he used .
I don't share your  view that  any human being would have empathy  in that case.
Cannot understand why some  seem to have forgotten who the victim of this   dreadful  situation is .

Who has forgotten the victim?

[John]

Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer, Dr Santos de Oliveira, examined Luís Neves at the libel trial and asked him if he had any knowledge about how the "death" theory came about?  Neves replied that there was no such theory in the beginning; he even remembers that Guilhermino Encarnação talked of abduction. But with time this idea had to be contemplated. He says that Madeleine's parents were the first to talk of death. It occurred in the British Consulate when the parents wanted a South African ex-policeman to come with a machine supposed to find bodies from hair samples

While being examined by TVI's lawyer, Dr. Miguel Coroadinha, Luís Neves testified that Guilhermino Encarnação spoke of abduction in spite of having absolutely nothing that could substantiate it.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2600.msg86047#msg86047

[G-Unit]

no Martin grime...when the mccanns were made arguidos its clear the pj oversestimated the value of the alerts....I dont think that needs an imo

You are assuming others agree with your opinions, so it does need an imo.

[Mr Gray]

You are assuming others agree with your opinions, so it does need an imo.

IMO others do agree..its actually in the police files that cadaver was alerted to.....that is not a confirmed fact and IMO shows a misunderstanding

[G-Unit]

IMO others do agree..its actually in the police files that cadaver was alerted to.....that is not a confirmed fact and IMO shows a misunderstanding

You cannot show that Neves is one of them, can you?

[Robittybob1]

Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer, Dr Santos de Oliveira, examined Luís Neves at the libel trial and asked him if he had any knowledge about how the "death" theory came about?  Neves replied that there was no such theory in the beginning; he even remembers that Guilhermino Encarnação talked of abduction. But with time this idea had to be contemplated. He says that Madeleine's parents were the first to talk of death. It occurred in the British Consulate when the parents wanted a South African ex-policeman to come with a machine supposed to find bodies from hair samples

While being examined by TVI's lawyer, Dr. Miguel Coroadinha, Luís Neves testified that Guilhermino Encarnação spoke of abduction in spite of having absolutely nothing that could substantiate it.



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That machine (Danie Krugel) didn't just work on dead people's DNA.  It was supposed to use DNA to find the person whether dead or alive.  Your DNA sample doesn't change if you are dead or alive.

"It occurred in the British Consulate when the parents wanted a South African ex-policeman to come with a machine supposed to find bodies from hair samples."  "Bodies" in this case can be dead or alive.

So if you think it implies the McCanns thought Madeleine was dead at that stage I think that is incorrect.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Neves may have agreed with amaral then but I doubt he does now...from his court statement Neves overestimated the ability of the dogs... I think that will have now been clarified

You have no way of 'knowing' this information what Neves may have changed his mind about agreeing with Amaral.

This man is an EXPERT in abduction and kidnapping he would be better equipped to offer his support and expertise in the investigation. Let us remember that OG brought in 'them dawgs wot dont no nuffin'  during a dig in PDL.

So much for 'ask the dogs Sandra'- This was the SY and PJ both letting the McCanns AND their following see THAT they do trust the dogs!  hmmm yeah...

[Brietta]

That machine (Danie Krugel) didn't just work on dead people's DNA.  It was supposed to use DNA to find the person whether dead or alive.  Your DNA sample doesn't change if you are dead or alive.

"It occurred in the British Consulate when the parents wanted a South African ex-policeman to come with a machine supposed to find bodies from hair samples."  "Bodies" in this case can be dead or alive.

So if you think it implies the McCanns thought Madeleine was dead at that stage I think that is incorrect.

In short he would appear to claim he has uniquely developed a handheld device that can find a missing person alive or dead in any given terrain over any elapsed time period.

In debriefing the officers who accompanied Krugel it is possible to hypothesise what he may have been doing and using.

In consultation with a colleague Dr Wolfram Meier-Augenstein we feel he may have been attempting to give the impression he had developed and was using a "Remote Laser based gas sensing device". However his claims regarding the distance of detection, up to 20km and the use of a hair sample are highly unlikely and would be a great innovation in the scientific world. Further provenance of this technique could be sought from Prof. Miles Padgett who is a Professor of optics in physics at the University of Glasgow
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm

For the families of missing people I believe it is known as 'clutching at straws'.

Krugel advertised himself and posted testimonials from satisfied 'customers' on his blog https://independentmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/hello-world/ he seemed to be anxious to help people altruistically ... Kate and Gerry who are convinced Madeleine might still be in Portugal https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/12157258/Madeleine-McCann-is-still-in-the-Algarve-claims-mother.html and who were desperate to find her alive and well probably thought Krugel was worth a try ... he was a former detective of South Africa Police's missing children unit after all.

Kate and Gerry had nothing to lose and everything to gain ... absolutely nonsensical to interpret this against them in the way it was.  In my opinion a prime example of the prejudice they were and are up against.

[Robittybob1]

In short he would appear to claim he has uniquely developed a handheld device that can find a missing person alive or dead in any given terrain over any elapsed time period.

In debriefing the officers who accompanied Krugel it is possible to hypothesise what he may have been doing and using.

In consultation with a colleague Dr Wolfram Meier-Augenstein we feel he may have been attempting to give the impression he had developed and was using a "Remote Laser based gas sensing device". However his claims regarding the distance of detection, up to 20km and the use of a hair sample are highly unlikely and would be a great innovation in the scientific world. Further provenance of this technique could be sought from Prof. Miles Padgett who is a Professor of optics in physics at the University of Glasgow
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm

For the families of missing people I believe it is known as 'clutching at straws'.

Krugel advertised himself and posted testimonials from satisfied 'customers' on his blog https://independentmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/hello-world/ he seemed to be anxious to help people altruistically ... Kate and Gerry who are convinced Madeleine might still be in Portugal https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/12157258/Madeleine-McCann-is-still-in-the-Algarve-claims-mother.html and who were desperate to find her alive and well probably thought Krugel was worth a try ... he was a former detective of South Africa Police's missing children unit after all.

Kate and Gerry had nothing to lose and everything to gain ... absolutely nonsensical to interpret this against them in the way it was.  In my opinion a prime example of the prejudice they were and are up against.

It was probably a hoax yet in that interview with Brunt on the 10th anniversary he still claimed it was successful. 

My point stands and supported by your quote, it was not designed to specifically to find dead bodies, but "a handheld device that can find a missing person alive or dead [/b]in any given terrain over any elapsed time period".