The last video taken of Madeleine McCann.

[slartibartfast]

You have very clearly misunderstood, deliberately or otherwise I’m not sure.  At no point did I ever say that going for a drink before Sunday lunch would lead to your child getting drunk at the age of 9.  Parents “leading by example” however has proven to increase the likelihood of children becoming smokers and drinkers if they regularly observe their parents partaking in such activities.  I can provide cites if required.   If it’s kids learning swear words then this is bad in your opinion,  and parents should not swear in front of kids, despite the fact that it does no real harm.  The same however cannot be said for smoking and drinking which can cause harm in later life, but which you appear to have no issue whatsoever with doing in front of your kids.  Personally I would rather my child be exposed to the odd swear word coming out of my mouth than to have me exhaling fag breath in their direction on a daily basis, silly and ridiculous though it may seem to you.  Swearing in front of the kids occasionally is no biggie, and to use Gerry’s “eff off” as yet another stick with which to beat him smacks of pettiness and making something out of nothing. IMO.

So you think it better if parents don’t drink in front of their children? Probably should go elsewhere?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So you think it better if parents don’t drink in front of their children? Probably should go elsewhere?

I didn’t consider the other harmful effects of drinking around children which this article highlights:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/even-moderate-drinking-by-parents-can-upset-children-study

[Robittybob1]

I don't know who taught my kids to get completely comatose from drinking.  Certainly didn't copy that from me!

[G-Unit]

You have very clearly misunderstood, deliberately or otherwise I’m not sure.  At no point did I ever say that going for a drink before Sunday lunch would lead to your child getting drunk at the age of 9.  Parents “leading by example” however has proven to increase the likelihood of children becoming smokers and drinkers if they regularly observe their parents partaking in such activities.  I can provide cites if required.   If it’s kids learning swear words then this is bad in your opinion,  and parents should not swear in front of kids, despite the fact that it does no real harm.  The same however cannot be said for smoking and drinking which can cause harm in later life, but which you appear to have no issue whatsoever with doing in front of your kids.  Personally I would rather my child be exposed to the odd swear word coming out of my mouth than to have me exhaling fag breath in their direction on a daily basis, silly and ridiculous though it may seem to you.  Swearing in front of the kids occasionally is no biggie, and to use Gerry’s “eff off” as yet another stick with which to beat him smacks of pettiness and making something out of nothing. IMO.

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"If you discover your 9 year old with a packet of fags and drunk on cider you are presumably going to advise him that this is not wise behaviour, and when he says “well, you do it”, you will reply...?"

[Vertigo Swirl]

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"If you discover your 9 year old with a packet of fags and drunk on cider you are presumably going to advise him that this is not wise behaviour, and when he says “well, you do it”, you will reply...?"

Yes, and? It was a hypothetical situation (do you even have a nine year old child?), one which could have happened whether or not you went for a pre-Sunday lunch drink and one which you declined to give an answer to, apart from to call me silly and ridiculous. That’s fine.

[sadie]

You have very clearly misunderstood, deliberately or otherwise I’m not sure.  At no point did I ever say that going for a drink before Sunday lunch would lead to your child getting drunk at the age of 9.  Parents “leading by example” however has proven to increase the likelihood of children becoming smokers and drinkers if they regularly observe their parents partaking in such activities.  I can provide cites if required.   If it’s kids learning swear words then this is bad in your opinion,  and parents should not swear in front of kids, despite the fact that it does no real harm.  The same however cannot be said for smoking and drinking which can cause harm in later life but which you appear to have no issue whatsoever with doing in front of your kids.  Personally I would rather my child be exposed to the odd swear word coming out of my mouth than to have me exhaling fag breath in their direction on a daily basis, silly and ridiculous though it may seem to you.  Swearing in front of the kids occasionally is no biggie, and to use Gerry’s “eff off” as yet another stick with which to beat him smacks of pettiness and making something out of nothing. IMO.

My Auntie smoked like a chimney but lived until about 70.   

Her wonderful daughter who never smoked, died of lung cancer at the age of 42.  This was in the seventies.

I dont care for swearing but from what we now know, it seems that it is better than smoking in front of your kids.

[Robittybob1]

My Auntie smoked like a chimney but lived until about 70.   

Her wonderful daughter who never smoked, died of lung cancer at the age of 42.  This was in the seventies.

I dont care for swearing but from what we now know, it seems that it is better than smoking in front of your kids.

Sad story Sadie.

[slartibartfast]

My Auntie smoked like a chimney but lived until about 70.   

Her wonderful daughter who never smoked, died of lung cancer at the age of 42.  This was in the seventies.

I dont care for swearing but from what we now know, it seems that it is better than smoking in front of your kids.

Passive smoking is a killer....

[G-Unit]

Passive smoking is a killer....

Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. As a child I was exposed to smoking in homes, on buses and trains, in cinemas, restaurants and theatres. I'm 74 and have no problems with my lungs.

[Mr Gray]

Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. As a child I was exposed to smoking in homes, on buses and trains, in cinemas, restaurants and theatres. I'm 74 and have no problems with my lungs.

It is ....thats rather an uneducated comment

[G-Unit]

It is ....thats rather an uneducated comment

Explain.

[Mr Gray]

Explain.

You are quoting anectdotal evidence to support your claim...anyone who understands what evidence is would realise anectdotal evidence has no credibility

[G-Unit]

You are quoting anectdotal evidence to support your claim...anyone who understands what evidence is would realise anectdotal evidence has no credibility

Would you say that smoking causes lung cancer or would you say there's an association between smoking and lung cancer?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. As a child I was exposed to smoking in homes, on buses and trains, in cinemas, restaurants and theatres. I'm 74 and have no problems with my lungs.

Yet.  Your arguments sounds a little bit like “we’ve left our kids alone in the house and gone out drinking, and nothing bad has ever happened to them”.

[Robittybob1]

Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. As a child I was exposed to smoking in homes, on buses and trains, in cinemas, restaurants and theatres. I'm 74 and have no problems with my lungs.

Keep touching wood.