Question about Nevill's watch

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Maybe this is what you think ‘he wanted’ by giving you his hair

Manipulation springs to mind...

[Nicholas]

So the huge lock of hair, Godfather story, the wetsuit, gun, watches, box etc...all these (if it’s true) clearly meant nothing to him, and he used the hair and box to manipulate her.

Has it been established if Aunt Agatha has a Cartier watch?

(2016) ”Jeremy's Cartier watches were real. I have one here! Will try and find and post pic.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358257.html#msg358257

I have never, Ever, posted photos of Jeremy's belongings until the other day.

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[APRIL]

But John, Aunt Agatha’s only “real life” involvement with Jeremy Bamber is that she wrote to him in prison in 1993 and became a pen pal, with some phone calls and visits.

She had no real life involvement in the case at all.

And everything she says is just her opinion based on whatever the pathological liar, Jeremy Bamber has told her. There’s several people on here who have had direct contact with him by way of written letters, and possibly more, but they don’t claim to have real life involvement in the case. Even the people who DID have real life involvement with him back in 1985 have said how deceptive and eerie he was, and the two people who probably DID know him better than anyone else, and certainly anyone on here — Brett Collins and Julie Mugford — have both said he’s guilty.

I know nothing about Agatha at all, but she has contradicted herself so may times; and in my view she’s come out with claims that I find hard to believe because they seem so implausible. I’m sure she’s a sweet person, which begs the question: why did Jeremy Bamber force her out? He either grew bored or realised she was of no use to him anymore. But either way, if he really did give her these items (and I still find the whole thing strange, especially the gun), but if he gave her that ponytail of his, which is something a lover or loved one would do, and she also claims he’s the Godfather to her children (how that happened hasn’t been explained...I’ve never been to a Christening & seen a Godparent turn up in a prison van & hold the baby whilst wearing handcuffs), it sounds like they were very close. Yet he’s frozen her out...given her details to Mike Tesko...and hasn’t been in contact with her for years.

So the huge lock of hair, Godfather story, the wetsuit, gun, watches, box etc...all these (if it’s true) clearly meant nothing to him, and he used the hair and box to manipulate her.

The giving of hair is certainly an intimate gesture associated with love, be it platonic or erotic. The Victorians kept hair from deceased family members and made it into intricate pieces of jewellery and artwork.

[Myster]

Almost as spooky as stuffed animals...

https://www.google.com/search?q=victorian+hair+art&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ClPkQ_D5JUw6pM%253A%252CPl621o1ohGqAiM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRSIHEG74b5LUgg5brFKA3YhpE2-g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNspe6-enoAhXdURUIHbX6AskQ9QEwB3oECAoQMg#imgrc=-cpj1BOqakLi9M

[Nicholas]

The giving of hair is certainly an intimate gesture associated with love, be it platonic or erotic. The Victorians kept hair from deceased family members and made it into intricate pieces of jewellery and artwork.

Bamber’s not the sentimental type

“Locks of hair carry symbolic value and have been utilized throughout history in various religious, superstitious, and sentimental roles.

A primitive belief maintains that owning a lock of hair from another's head gives one power over that individual, in the same manner that owning a piece of clothing or image of an individual grants the owner such powers.

Historically, giving a lock of one's hair to someone has been considered a sign of love and devotion, especially before an impending separation. It is still a popular trope in fiction, particularly the romance genre.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_of_hair

[barrier]

No they're not.  JB needs to produce some evidence that undermines his conviction to the extent that 3 appeal court judges will take the view that had jurors heard it they may have returned a different verdict.

Which kind of suggests your not sure of his innocence, merely the trial never showed enough to convict?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The giving of hair is certainly an intimate gesture associated with love, be it platonic or erotic. The Victorians kept hair from deceased family members and made it into intricate pieces of jewellery and artwork.

Indeed.

I myself have locks of hair of loved ones who’ve died, and both my siblings and myself placed locks of our hair into my mother’s hands when she was in her coffin, having died far too young.

It’s very comforting to have a lock of their hair to look at, touch...

I also keep some in a locket I always wear.

It’s very personal, very special, and not  something you’d give to just anyone

I’ve never seen anyone give a loved one a pony tail, though...that goes with his signature...the huge J and B written with a big flourish. Egotistical. It would have actually meant more had it been a small lock of hair IMO

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Almost as spooky as stuffed animals...

https://www.google.com/search?q=victorian+hair+art&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ClPkQ_D5JUw6pM%253A%252CPl621o1ohGqAiM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRSIHEG74b5LUgg5brFKA3YhpE2-g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNspe6-enoAhXdURUIHbX6AskQ9QEwB3oECAoQMg#imgrc=-cpj1BOqakLi9M

Oh, that’s far too much! Eerie too.

But a small lock of hair kept in a box in a drawer, or piece of jewellery can be very comforting.

[Nicholas]

Indeed.

I myself have locks of hair of loved ones who’ve died, and both my siblings and myself placed locks of our hair into my mother’s hands when she was in her coffin, having died far too young.

It’s very comforting to have a lock of their hair to look at, touch...

I also keep some in a locket I always wear.

It’s very personal, very special, and something you’d give to just anyone

I’ve never seen anyone give a loved one a pony tail, though...that goes with his signature...the huge J and B written with a big flourish. Egotistical. It would have actually meant more had it been a small lock of hair IMO

Bamber’s all about power and control 

A primitive belief maintains that owning a lock of hair from another's head gives one power over that individual, in the same manner that owning a piece of clothing or image of an individual grants the owner such powers.

[APRIL]

Almost as spooky as stuffed animals...

https://www.google.com/search?q=victorian+hair+art&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ClPkQ_D5JUw6pM%253A%252CPl621o1ohGqAiM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRSIHEG74b5LUgg5brFKA3YhpE2-g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNspe6-enoAhXdURUIHbX6AskQ9QEwB3oECAoQMg#imgrc=-cpj1BOqakLi9M

Thank-you for that, Myster. Such intricacy and artistry makes my wig-making look easy by comparison, but weaving 3 hairs at a time requires rather more patience and dexterity than working with bundles, perhaps.

[Nicholas]

Thank-you for that, Myster. Such intricacy and artistry makes my wig-making look easy by comparison, but weaving 3 hairs at a time requires rather more patience and dexterity than working with bundles, perhaps.

Maybe Aunt Agatha will donate her lock of hair ?

[APRIL]

Maybe Aunt Agatha will donate her lock of hair ?

There's certainly enough to do things with. Maybe, one day, it will become an exhibit in The Black Museum?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Actually the police would hand over items to a third party if they had taken them into their control as evidence and then decided to return them. If the property belonged to Jeremy as in the air rifle and the wet suit then they were duty bound to return them to Jeremy regardless of his conviction and as he was in prison, effectively homeless and without family, the police would have asked him to designate a keeper for his property. Enter Aunt Agatha.

John, I came upon this (Damn, it won’t paste....I shall get it again)

But here’s a snippet about prisoners possessions and what happens.

According to this, if they’re no longer needed they’re sent to the prison where the prisoner is interred.

IF they’re kept a police station (in the case of people who aren’t convicted etc) the police will write and give you 28 days to collect your property, and if you don’t collect them they auction them off

I shall find the link again

 

[Nicholas]

There's certainly enough to do things with. Maybe, one day, it will become an exhibit in The Black Museum?

Where is this ‘black museum’?

Is it this one https://the-line-up.com/crime-museum-london

And has anyone ever seen Bambers murder weapon in there?

The headline of the article reads, ”Murder Weapons, Death Masks, and Severed Arms”

Who’s ‘severed arm’ is it and why keep it and what’s the theory of ‘attachment’ on that, or doesn’t it apply to ‘black museum’ artefacts and those who curate them?

[APRIL]

Where is this ‘black museum’?

Off the top of my head, Nicholas, I'm honestly not sure, but I believe there to be a very famous one somewhere in London? I've certainly seen shots of people examining the artifacts kept there.