Is the maddie fund.... now a secret fund

[Carana]

Here's another bucket, so some contributions were prompted rather than spontaneous;

Before its launch the fund had already raised £10,000 from medical colleagues of Gerry and Kate McCann and from a bucket of money filled up by visitors to Leicester's Glenfield Hospital, where Madeleine's father works.

The Guardian 17th May 2007
 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id58.htm

People wanted to help and some kind of structure had to be set up to manage it. Which they did. As the purpose centred around Madeleine, it couldn't have been a charity.

On charities:

The ‘public aspect’

The ‘public aspect’ of public benefit is about who the purpose benefits.

Legal requirement: to satisfy the ‘public aspect’ of public benefit the purpose must:

    benefit the public in general, or a sufficient section of the public
    not give rise to more than incidental personal benefit
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4#part-4

[G-Unit]

People wanted to help and some kind of structure had to be set up to manage it. Which they did. As the purpose centred around Madeleine, it couldn't have been a charity.

On charities:

The ‘public aspect’

The ‘public aspect’ of public benefit is about who the purpose benefits.

Legal requirement: to satisfy the ‘public aspect’ of public benefit the purpose must:

    benefit the public in general, or a sufficient section of the public
    not give rise to more than incidental personal benefit
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4#part-4

There may have been a problem with the 'personal benefit' bit also.

13.    I've heard that Kate and Gerry McCann might benefit from the Fund. Is this true?

Yes – the fund has provided support to Kate and Gerry. One of the reasons the fund was established was to support Madeleine's family and such financial assistance is one of its specific objectives. This assistance to Kate and Gerry was a subsistence allowance, provided whilst they were on unpaid leave from work and enabled them to push forward the campaign to find Madeleine. The directors approve all payments to Kate and Gerry, with family members not having a vote. Financial support given to Kate and Gerry since Gerry returned to work is negligible.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id58.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Here's another bucket, so some contributions were prompted rather than spontaneous;

Before its launch the fund had already raised £10,000 from medical colleagues of Gerry and Kate McCann and from a bucket of money filled up by visitors to Leicester's Glenfield Hospital, where Madeleine's father works.

The Guardian 17th May 2007
 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id58.htm

So what?

[Alice Purjorick]

OK the directors and the Companies House board or whatever have to approve the changes.  That's fine.  Changes have occurred proving that the objectives do change with time.

But not in the manner or by the mechanisms you suggested in your earlier post.

[Robittybob1]

But not in the manner or by the mechanisms you suggested in your earlier post.

True but the point I was making the changes are initiated by the directors. 

[G-Unit]

So what?

On the subject of secrecy, that information is no longer on the Find Madeleine website.

[Vertigo Swirl]

On the subject of secrecy, that information is no longer on the Find Madeleine website.

Why should information about a collection bucket at a hospital in 2007 still be on the Find Madeleine website?   Rhetorical question, not asking for a reply.

[G-Unit]

Why should information about a collection bucket at a hospital in 2007 still be on the Find Madeleine website?   Rhetorical question, not asking for a reply.

It never was, it was reported in the Guardian if you look at my cite.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It never was, it was reported in the Guardian if you look at my cite.

So then I don’t understand what your earlier comment refers to.

[G-Unit]

So then I don’t understand what your earlier comment refers to.

It referred to another post.

[kizzy]

To stop busy-bodies who don’t like the Mcacanns sticking their beaks in and using the Fund to fuel their obsessions?

Think you will find it was the mmcanns who used the fund to fuel there obsession with GA.


IMO they knew they needed that money - starting with the bucket....but why.

It was everybody else searching for maddie....as well as everyone else getting the blame.

All they seem to care about - was their reputation imo.

Those sad parents - holding up the  tee shirt as if it was a check for the lottery.


https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2011/12/chronological-record-of-madeleines-fund.html



At the heart of this campaign and Fund is a little girl confused, lonely and in need of her parents. This Fund’s money will be focused on finding that little girl and leaving no stone unturned.»

Esther McVey: Madeleine's fund won't be used for legal fees, 18 September 2007
Extract:
«Kate and Gerry, 39 - also parents of two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, both fiercely deny any involvement in the long-running mystery and believe they are being set up to cover up a bungled police inquiry.

This week, prospective MP Esther McVey, one of the six trustees of Madeleine's fund, met with lawyers to examine the legality of breaking into the £1m worth of public donations.

She said that the fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned was set up to find Madeleine, support the family, bring the abductor(s) to justice and subject to that, help other missing children.

But numerous angry postings from people who claim to have given donations have appeared on the internet asking if they are entitled to their money back if Madeleine's parents are prosecuted.

"Fund directors have decided not to pay for Kate and Gerry's legal defence costs," said Esther. "We stress that the family has not asked for these costs to be paid, however, people have already called in offering their financial support.

"Any such fund would have to be separately set up and administered." (....)»

[Brietta]

I was loath to wonder too much about the objective of this particular thread in the hope I might have been wrong;  however it has panned out very much along the lines and in the direction I had expected it to take.

In my opinion the discourse lends nothing to the ethos of this forum ... personifying instead only the prejudices of blogs in the darkest corner of the internet who have taken upon themselves the task of excoriating the family of a missing child and their efforts on her behalf.

Anyway ... for those who care about it, the fact that Madeleine's parents do not have to raise money to finance searching for her at the moment is good news.  Scotland Yard ... despite the complaints about 'taxpayers dollars' and the Policia Judiciaria have been and are doing it instead.
"Justice for Madeleine" doesn't come cheap - as her parents worked out many years ago.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I was loath to wonder too much about the objective of this particular thread in the hope I might have been wrong;  however it has panned out very much along the lines and in the direction I had expected it to take.

In my opinion the discourse lends nothing to the ethos of this forum ... personifying instead only the prejudices of blogs in the darkest corner of the internet who have taken upon themselves the task of excoriating the family of a missing child and their efforts on her behalf.

Anyway ... for those who care about it, the fact that Madeleine's parents do not have to raise money to finance searching for her at the moment is good news.  Scotland Yard ... despite the complaints about 'taxpayers dollars' and the Policia Judiciaria have been and are doing it instead.
"Justice for Madeleine" doesn't come cheap - as her parents worked out many years ago.

It certainly doesn't come cheap!  how much has the  'fund' spend on legal fees for pursuing Amaral?  Madeleine will never get justice, while people fawn over her parents like they are deities. And refuse to accept that something terrible happened /is happening to her, and that her parents are not the real victims in all this?

It is also difficult for some to appreciate that although they have not been held accountable, they were responsible for her. It would seem that this forum is being used by parent supporters to whitewash them and protect them at any cost. Which to my mind is seriously weird.

[G-Unit]

I imagine the Fund director's had to respond, due to stories like this on 10th September;

DAD: I'LL USE £1m MADDIE FUND TO CLEAR OUR NAMES

They are being advised by top lawyers Kingsley Napley, Michael Caplan QC and Angus McBride.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/dad-i-ll-use-1m-maddie-fund-to-clear-our-names-10--t14687.html#p208447

We can rest assured, therefore, that none of the Fund money was paid to any of the above members of their defence team.

[kizzy]

I was loath to wonder too much about the objective of this particular thread in the hope I might have been wrong;  however it has panned out very much along the lines and in the direction I had expected it to take.

In my opinion the discourse lends nothing to the ethos of this forum ... personifying instead only the prejudices of blogs in the darkest corner of the internet who have taken upon themselves the task of excoriating the family of a missing child and their efforts on her behalf.

Anyway ... for those who care about it, the fact that Madeleine's parents do not have to raise money to finance searching for her at the moment is good news.  Scotland Yard ... despite the complaints about 'taxpayers dollars' and the Policia Judiciaria have been and are doing it instead.
"Justice for Madeleine" doesn't come cheap - as her parents worked out many years ago.

That is only your opinion - as you say B


The accounts tell you nothing.

They have fulfilled the minimum legal requirement -  and that is all they ever intended to do

despite the open and transparent promise.

They move tranches of money about and there is nothing to show detailed expenditure.

If SY were halfway serious they could probably subpoena the accountancy books

Start investigating paper trails -  but of course  they won't.