Timeline May 3rd

[Vertigo Swirl]

well we don't know do we - because they cant get there stories straight imo.

I expect they were leaving the table every half-hour to shoot up or watch some porn, you know what these doctors are like.

NB: SATIRE NOT LIBEL!!!!  I’m not seriously suggesting this as a possibility

[slartibartfast]

I expect they were leaving the table every half-hour to shoot up or watch some porn, you know what these doctors are like.

NB: SATIRE NOT LIBEL!!!!  I’m not seriously suggesting this as a possibility

We don’t know how close they got to the apartments, listening checks have been mentioned.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We don’t know how close they got to the apartments, listening checks have been mentioned.

So they got up every half hour to check on their kids.  Angelo is claiming they didn’t.

[Robittybob1]

We don’t know how close they got to the apartments, listening checks have been mentioned.

Listening checks are sufficient IMO.

[slartibartfast]

Listening checks are sufficient IMO.

So, MM gets out at 8:40....listening check would be fine after that?

[Robittybob1]

So, MM gets out at 8:40....listening check would be fine after that?

Matt did a listening check at 9:00 PM and he said it was OK but Gerry felt an internal check was needed so he did it at 9:05.

[sadie]

Indeed! I also wonder if it only took 30 seconds to get from the tapas to the children  how come it took them 10,15/ 30 minutes to get there and back from the 'check'...

However, we don't know if they agreed with the timeline- they smacked JT's sighting as an abductor.  We can only read what we are given.

What are you going on about Mistaken?   10,15/30 minutes ?   

Cites please

[Robittybob1]

What are you going on about Mistaken?   10,15/30 minutes ?   

Cites please

There are various estimates of how long Gerry took on his check.

[Brietta]

There's no definitive evidence that Madeleine was abducted. The story relies heavily on the testimony of her parents. Therefore any investigation worth it's salt needs to assess the reliability of her parent's evidence in any way possible. If Gerry McCann didn't see an open bedroom door perhaps he didn't see an open window and shutters either.

The problem with your assumption is that Gerry indisputably did see an open bedroom door. Only in retrospect did the full significance of that hit him.

Snip
  ... he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[slartibartfast]

The problem with your assumption is that Gerry indisputably did see an open bedroom door. Only in retrospect did the full significance of that hit him.

Snip
  ... he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

To be accurate Gerry indisputably said he saw an open bedroom door.

[Vertigo Swirl]

To be accurate Gerry indisputably said he saw an open bedroom door.

to be even more accurate, it is indisputably reported that Gerry said he saw an open bedroom door.

[pathfinder73]

And Matt saw the same half-open door 30 minutes later so what did Gerry really see 

[G-Unit]

The problem with your assumption is that Gerry indisputably did see an open bedroom door. Only in retrospect did the full significance of that hit him.

Snip
  ... he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

I made no assumptions. You, on the other hand appear to be assuming that everything said by a witness is correct.

[Brietta]

I made no assumptions. You, on the other hand appear to be assuming that everything said by a witness is correct.

I do apologise.  The word I should have used was insinuation.

[G-Unit]

I do apologise.  The word I should have used was insinuation.

Thank you. I don't think insinuation is correct either, but you are entitled to your opinion.