Timeline May 3rd

[kizzy]

What does a listening check involve?  Walking without stopping past the building in which the children are in, or entering the building to make sure all is quiet - do you know?  I guess walking past the building without stopping would tell you all you need to know if the child is crying, right?  Because the walls within the building and the outside wall of the building provide no barrier whatsoever to sound travelling outside.  Is that correct?

So what if maddie had fell out of bed and hit her head on tile floor - would you hear that.

Things/ accidents could happen - that don't make a noise imo

[Miss Taken Identity]

Confused or deaf, she had ample time to decide where the sound was coming from, didn't she?

Mrs Fenn had been living in that apartment for many years, she would absolutely know the sound of  doors below or above, and would certainly know if a child was crying  and where that sound was coming from!  Kate HAD to acknowledge that- oh yes Maddie mentioned in passing where were we when she /sibling/s woke up crying.

She didn't know what witnesses, an dhow many would say about the children crying etc...

[Robittybob1]

So what if maddie had fell out of bed and hit her head on tile floor - would you hear that.

Things/ accidents could happen - that don't make a noise imo

If you really start thinking like that as a parent you would end up never being able to sleep for fear you would miss hearing your kid fall while you were asleep.

[kizzy]

If you really start thinking like that as a parent you would end up never being able to sleep for fear you would miss hearing your kid fall while you were asleep.

 

The mccanns wasnt there was they.

They were in an apartment with unfamiliar surroundings

Maddie was old enough to get out of her bed....it wasn't a low one either.

[G-Unit]

If you really start thinking like that as a parent you would end up never being able to sleep for fear you would miss hearing your kid fall while you were asleep.

At least you're in with a chance, which, as most parents understand, you're not if you've gone out.

[Robittybob1]

At least you're in with a chance, which, as most parents understand, you're not if you've gone out.

Do you know that for certain?

[G-Unit]

Do you know that for certain?

Is that a meaningful question?

[Robittybob1]

Is that a meaningful question?

It was.  You made a claim of fact, so "do you know that for certain?".

[G-Unit]

It was.  You made a claim of fact, so "do you know that for certain?".

If you are inside an apartment you have more chance of hearing something than if you're outside the apartment in a restaurant. If you disagree I'd like to hear your reasoning.

[Robittybob1]

If you are inside an apartment you have more chance of hearing something than if you're outside the apartment in a restaurant. If you disagree I'd like to hear your reasoning.

We were originally talking about being asleep.  The moments you are asleep is that the same as being away? 
Checking every 30 minutes seems more checking than what would occur if the parents were sound asleep within the apartment.
OK if the rooms were close enough, a child falling and screaming might wake the parent up, but if the accident was of the type that would cause death, would it wake a parent?  How often has a parent at home been woken by a child and when they went to check found the child dead?

[Robittybob1]

Here is an extreme example "She went to bed at 9 p.m., but didn't wake up to check on the child until about 22 hours later, when she found the child dead.

She is now facing a felony charge of child neglect resulting in death."  http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/6943517.html

[G-Unit]

We were originally talking about being asleep.  The moments you are asleep is that the same as being away? 
Checking every 30 minutes seems more checking than what would occur if the parents were sound asleep within the apartment.
OK if the rooms were close enough, a child falling and screaming might wake the parent up, but if the accident was of the type that would cause death, would it wake a parent?  How often has a parent at home been woken by a child and when they went to check found the child dead?

Being asleep isn't the same as being out because there's a chance you'll hear something and wake up if you're asleep. If you're out you will definitely hear nothing.

[slartibartfast]

Here is an extreme example "She went to bed at 9 p.m., but didn't wake up to check on the child until about 22 hours later, when she found the child dead.

She is now facing a felony charge of child neglect resulting in death."  http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/6943517.html

Had been taking drugs....

[Robittybob1]

Had been taking drugs....

And the Tapas 9 had been drinking.

[Robittybob1]

Being asleep isn't the same as being out because there's a chance you'll hear something and wake up if you're asleep. If you're out you will definitely hear nothing.

But they were doing regular and frequent listening checks.