Timeline May 3rd

[Brietta]

The smiths provided a receipt from the bar they were in, and just left...

Paiva went out to look for confirmation and found none.  The receipts from Kelly's bar are in the files I suggest you read them.  Nor did the staff on duty on the 3rd remember the large party with children.  That is in the files too.

[Brietta]

If they were not clock watching how did they get their 'time line'?

I think you will remember all about it when you refresh your memory by reading the files.

[pathfinder73]

Witness Statement

Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira

Date/Time: 2007/01/30 21H00

Occupation: Waiter

When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

2 statements from both witnesses - the waiter that served Russell and both corroborate the time - 9:45pm when Russell returned to the table!

That is corroborated evidence!

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think you will remember all about it when you refresh your memory by reading the files.

The files based on what the tapas group told the police?  Hmm

[Eleanor]

As I understood it the parents, as arguidos, couldn't refuse. Luckily the other witnesses did so they didn't have to go.

This is true.  And the others didn't have to go.  Nothing Lucky about it.  The PJ refused to give them an undertaking that they wouldn't be made Arguidos.

Now tell me that you would have gone under those circumstances.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Witness Statement

Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira

Date/Time: 2007/01/30 21H00

Occupation: Waiter

When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

2 statements from both witnesses - the waiter that served Russell and both corroborate the time - 9:45pm when Russell returned to the table!

That is corroborated evidence!

Can you explain the significance in relation to the Smith sighting please?

[pathfinder73]

Can you explain the significance in relation to the Smith sighting please?

They had left the table before 10pm, therefore, any of the men could be Smithman. Keeping to a 10pm timeline and being at the tapas rules them all out of that sighting!

Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left because her father and her brother decided to leave early that night

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Good point... this is why the PJ wanted a real time reconstruction with the Smiths and the T9.

The fact that we can't say precisely what time the sighting was adds weight to the argument that we can't rule out GM because we can't know for sure that he was at the Tapas Bar. We only know this if we can prove or test the timeline(s).

Perhaps then you could explain exactly how a real time reconstruction would have proven that Gerry was Smithman? 

[jassi]

Perhaps then you could explain exactly how a real time reconstruction would have proven that Gerry was Smithman?

Smithman could be anyone.
Surely the point would be to demonstrate that it Gerry  couldn't be Smithman.

[G-Unit]

Witness Statement

Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira

Date/Time: 2007/01/30 21H00

Occupation: Waiter

When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

2 statements from both witnesses - the waiter that served Russell and both corroborate the time - 9:45pm when Russell returned to the table!

That is corroborated evidence!

Interesting! If the main meal was served 15 minutes before Russell returned then it was served at 9:30pm. At that time two people were absent from the table, so why was only one of their meals put on hold?

[pathfinder73]

Matt and Russell said they left to check at 9:25. I think Matt was only away for about 5 minutes so he was back in time for his main course.

Jane said she wolfed her meal down at 9:30 and returned to the apartment to help Russell.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Smithman could be anyone.
Surely the point would be to demonstrate that it Gerry  couldn't be Smithman.

Same question:  how would a reconstruction involving 9 Tapas members, Jes Wilkins and the Smiths prove Gerry couldn't be Smithman?  I look forward to your answer.

[jassi]

Same question:  how would a reconstruction involving 9 Tapas members, Jes Wilkins and the Smiths prove Gerry couldn't be Smithman?  I look forward to your answer.

If the reconstruction demonstrated Gerry to be elsewhere at the correct time, then he could not be Smithman.

If on the other hand, the time line as constructed by Tapas9 fell to pieces, then further questions would need to be asked
I don't see how Jez could contribute to the Smithman part of the evening.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Same question:  how would a reconstruction involving 9 Tapas members, Jes Wilkins and the Smiths prove Gerry couldn't be Smithman?  I look forward to your answer.

If it was unable to prove that Smithman couldn't be GM then it stands to reason that it could have been, imo.

[pathfinder73]

If the reconstruction demonstrated Gerry to be elsewhere at the correct time, then he could not be Smithman.

If on the other hand, the time line as constructed by Tapas9 fell to pieces, then further questions would need to be asked
I don't see how Jez could contribute to the Smithman part of the evening.

Agreed you reconstruct from 9:45 to the Smith sighting. From the time Russell returned to the table. If they left before 10pm as their waiter said any could be Smithman.