Timeline May 3rd

[Robittybob1]

Smith describes the way he tilted his head as he carried the child as a particular trigger.

Are you going to convict someone on such undefined evidence?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Smith describes the way he tilted his head as he carried the child as a particular trigger.

Think about it.  Smith was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing.  He and his family would surely have taken an interest in the case and seen some news coverage and photos of Gerry McCann during the many months prior to seeing him come down the steps of the plane, but he never once linked the man he saw that night with the man plastered all over the media for months until he saw him tilt his head in a particular way and the. suddenly he’s 60-80% certain it’s the same man.  And you consider this to be a reliable witness?  REALLY?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Are you going to convict someone on such undefined evidence?

No chance.

Same goes for the circumstantial evidence against the new prime suspect. Any charge (never mind a conviction) will require some further forensic evidence (such as DNA etc).

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Think about it.  Smith was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing.  He and his family would surely have taken an interest in the case and seen some news coverage and photos of Gerry McCann during the many months prior to seeing him come down the steps of the plane, but he never once linked the man he saw that night with the man plastered all over the media for months until he saw him tilt his head in a particular way and the. suddenly he’s 60-80% certain it’s the same man.  And you consider this to be a reliable witness?  REALLY?

I recognise in his statement the way the human brain works in terms of facial recognition and triggers. His testimony is very truthful imo, but I think any human ID is questionable (to say the least). It requires further evidence to back it up. As I said it's not enough, on its own, to bring charges never mind a conviction.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I'm also highly suspicious of the way it was ignored by sources close to the family. John of this forum fame has explained this perfectly. But if they totally believe it was not GM then you'd expect it to be publicised as a possible abductor. What's more important finding MM or protecting an innocent GM from a false ID?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm also highly suspicious of the way it was ignored by sources close to the family. John of this forum fame has explained this perfectly. But if they totally believe it was not GM then you'd expect it to be publicised as a possible abductor. What's more important finding MM or protecting an innocent GM from a false ID?

You think the McCanns should have publicised a photofit describing Gerry McCann as the abductor?  Novel approach to finding the real abductor for sure!

[misty]

I'm also highly suspicious of the way it was ignored by sources close to the family. John of this forum fame has explained this perfectly. But if they totally believe it was not GM then you'd expect it to be publicised as a possible abductor. What's more important finding MM or protecting an innocent GM from a false ID?

There was no live police investigation at the time the 2 Smith family members helped construct the efits. Who would have handled the information received following any public appeal? Furthermore, in helping with the efits, the Smith family showed themselves to be unreliable witnesses for the PJ in any future prosecution.

[Lace]

Smith describes the way he tilted his head as he carried the child as a particular trigger.

Oh well if he tilted his head he must be guilty!!    Gerry McCann was at the Tapas Bar when Mr Smith saw the man carrying a child.

[Lace]

Witness Statement

Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira

Date/Time: 2007/01/30 21H00

Occupation: Waiter

When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

2 statements from both witnesses - the waiter that served Russell and both corroborate the time - 9:45pm when Russell returned to the table!

That is corroborated evidence!
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He says 'about' quarter to ten.   Russell would have eaten almost all his dinner by the time Kate give her alert.   Anyway whether or not Kate left the table at ten to ten,  five to ten or 10o'clock.  Gerry was sitting at the table in the Tapas Bar when Mr Smith saw a man carrying a child.

[G-Unit]

Gerry McCann may have been at the Tapas table when the alarm was raised, but where's the evidence which confirms that it was raised at 10pm? There's evidence suggesting the alarm was raised earlier.

[Mr Gray]

Gerry McCann may have been at the Tapas table when the alarm was raised, but where's the evidence which confirms that it was raised at 10pm? There's evidence suggesting the alarm was raised earlier.

we may get evidence soon taht maddie is dead and how she died. All this debate about something that to all intents and purposes is a complete waste of time seems pointless

[G-Unit]

we may get evidence soon taht maddie is dead and how she died. All this debate about something that to all intents and purposes is a complete waste of time seems pointless

Correcting misunderstandings of the evidence is never pointless.

[Mr Gray]

Correcting misunderstandings of the evidence is never pointless.

as gerry is no longer as suspect and its patently clear hes not involved...as you can never be certain of any timings...I would say it is pointless

[G-Unit]

as gerry is no longer as suspect and its patently clear hes not involved...as you can never be certain of any timings...I would say it is pointless

The fact that OG have accepted the group's timeline makes it of interest. Their 'clearing of the ground' seems to rely on accepting the uncorroberated timeline offered by those who were suspected.

[Mr Gray]

The fact that OG have accepted the group's timeline makes it of interest. Their 'clearing of the ground' seems to rely on accepting the uncorroberated timeline offered by those who were suspected.

its not unusual for victims of crimes uncorroberated statements to be believed. We may soon get absolute proof tyhe McCanns were not involved and SY will be vindicated.