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Offline jassi

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #420 on: July 03, 2020, 10:09:27 AM »
I don't think anything was rehearsed.   There is much too much detail in the answers.    The interviewer is clever too asked questions then a bit of casual talk then back into asking the same questions later on.   They wouldn't know what they were going to be asked and there is no delay in the answers.
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What do you think all the erms and ahs are, but delaying tactics ?
These are articulate people, used to speaking with other articulate people, not teenagers on a street corner.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #421 on: July 03, 2020, 10:23:01 AM »

What don’t you understand about the fact that ALL translation is never, never 100% accurate because every language has words which when translated can have different meaning or several meanings.

Do you not speak a second language?

Does that include the word gêmeos? What else does it mean apart from twins?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #422 on: July 03, 2020, 10:26:56 AM »

Gerry doesn’t speak Portuguese, Gunit.

He wouldn’t understand what the interpreter was saying he’d said!

How naive...

How ignorant.....

His statement was read back to him IN ENGLISH and he initialled each page and signed at the end of the document.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #423 on: July 03, 2020, 11:24:40 AM »
How ignorant.....

His statement was read back to him IN ENGLISH and he initialled each page and signed at the end of the document.

you dont know what was read back to him. what we know is that according to kate there were errors and because of that they made new statements

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #424 on: July 03, 2020, 11:27:07 AM »
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By an INTERPRETER who was interpreting BACK again from Portuguese to English.

I take it you don’t speak a second language?

I do. And I know how just one subtle word can change the whole sentence.

Or, things can be thought differently due to the meaning of those subtle words in different languages,

Then you have the problem with the questions: for example, when the PO asked in Portuguese if Madeleine had said the twin had been crying, he may have verified to the interpreter if that was “last night”. The interpreter would then have asked Gerry or Kate “was that last night?” and they could have agreed , but it all got confused in translation as they never actually SAID that themselves.

It’s too time-consuming to explain to you as you won’t believe it, so I can’t be bothered

gunit beleives the statements are 100% accurate with no chance of any error...that in my experience...is ridiculous.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #425 on: July 03, 2020, 11:28:45 AM »
Collin Sutton, "We’re talking about interviews given by the McCanns and friends through an interpreter, written down in Portuguese and then translated back into English so officers from Grange can read them. The room for error would be enormous.”

but gunit wants to think they are 100% accurate

Offline Lace

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #426 on: July 03, 2020, 12:19:57 PM »
What do you think all the erms and ahs are, but delaying tactics ?
These are articulate people, used to speaking with other articulate people, not teenagers on a street corner.

Everyone uses erms and ahs they are not delaying tactics at all.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #427 on: July 03, 2020, 12:30:01 PM »
you dont know what was read back to him. what we know is that according to kate there were errors and because of that they made new statements

Once again you are accepting the word of a person who became a formal suspect. They made statements to CRG for reasons best known to themselves, but those statements have never been released, so no-one knows what was said.

In my opinion complaining to the PJ about the alleged errors and re-doing their official statements would have made more sense. Waiting to mention the 'errors' for 4 years lessened the impact somewhat imo.
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Offline barrier

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #428 on: July 03, 2020, 12:31:53 PM »
Everyone uses erms and ahs they are not delaying tactics at all.

I had reason to visit a consultant yesterday, not a erm and ah in sight.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #429 on: July 03, 2020, 12:33:57 PM »
Once again you are accepting the word of a person who became a formal suspect. They made statements to CRG for reasons best known to themselves, but those statements have never been released, so no-one knows what was said.

In my opinion complaining to the PJ about the alleged errors and re-doing their official statements would have made more sense. Waiting to mention the 'errors' for 4 years lessened the impact somewhat imo.
You are reading too much into formal suspects...first none of the evidence used to make them suspects was later confirmed....second it's normal for parents to be suspectd in such cases. You claim the statements are accurate...there is little evidence to support that but more that they are not

Offline Lace

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #430 on: July 03, 2020, 12:38:47 PM »
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What do you think all the erms and ahs are, but delaying tactics ?
These are articulate people, used to speaking with other articulate people, not teenagers on a street corner.


Villar found that people telling the truth generally used more filler words. In one instance, they reviewed the speeches of people who were telling the truth versus lying. The “results showed that instances of um were significantly more frequent and longer acoustic duration during truth-telling than during lying.”

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #431 on: July 03, 2020, 12:43:21 PM »
I had reason to visit a consultant yesterday, not a erm and ah in sight.

i'm a similar level to consultant. When i speak to patients theres probably not a umm or err...they do tend to go unnoticed sometimes.
i once had to give a statement under caution for something I was not involved in. there were lots of umms and errs in the transcript. its a completely different situation

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #432 on: July 03, 2020, 12:47:20 PM »
you dont know what was read back to him. what we know is that according to kate there were errors and because of that they made new statements

If GM wasn't happy then he shouldn't have signed it. Has he ever stated later which parts of the statements made and signed on the 4th and the 10th could on reflection have been poorly tanslated - and that he actually said something else?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #433 on: July 03, 2020, 12:49:39 PM »
If GM wasn't happy then he shouldn't have signed it. Has he ever stated later which parts of the statements made and signed on the 4th and the 10th could on reflection have been poorly tanslated - and that he actually said something else?

Kate in her book says that the statements had errors so they made new ones to Control Risks that were passed to the PJ.


Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #434 on: July 03, 2020, 01:00:26 PM »
I had reason to visit a consultant yesterday, not a erm and ah in sight.

I work in critical care and senior doctors are used to answering investigative questions, including those in the coroner's court. When I have shown a colleague the recorded interviews and transcripts of earlier ones she remarked that they were atypical of doctors being asked to recount stressful events. Consultants generally ooze confidence, they are clear about timelines, and they are clear and concise.

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