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Offline jassi

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #510 on: July 05, 2020, 10:48:30 AM »
The MET refers to a suspect no prime mentioned. 

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.

Hedging their bets as they are no longer in control and have no say in how the Germans will proceed.
IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #511 on: July 05, 2020, 10:49:15 AM »
HCW is a state prosecutor. Let's see how he fares if his appeals don't turn up what he's hoping for ie incriminating evidence.

Do you think he shouldn't be making these appeals

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #512 on: July 05, 2020, 10:51:20 AM »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #513 on: July 05, 2020, 10:54:58 AM »
Utter drivel

You're sounding like Myster.

Wait and see. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #514 on: July 05, 2020, 10:58:58 AM »
Can you make his statement fit with the statement by the waiter who served Oldfield his re-heated steak and also Jez Wilkins statement, ta muchly.

Jez Wilkin's with regards to the timeline states:

"Q. Relative to the time I met Gerry McCann on the Thursday night of May 3, 2007;
As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time. "


Nothing in his statement places GM in the Tapas Bar at a particular time.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #515 on: July 05, 2020, 11:03:17 AM »
Can you make his statement fit with the statement by the waiter who served Oldfield his re-heated steak and also Jez Wilkins statement, ta muchly.

According to another waiter some other male left the table after the reheated food been served;

The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;
- The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

Jez Wilkins was in his apartment by 9:30pm, so he can't say what time the alarm was raised.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #516 on: July 05, 2020, 11:08:26 AM »
Mrs Fenn was first alerted to noise from down below just before 10.30 pm.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #517 on: July 05, 2020, 11:12:09 AM »
Can you make his statement fit with the statement by the waiter who served Oldfield his re-heated steak and also Jez Wilkins statement, ta muchly.

The waiter stated that

"Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment."

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #518 on: July 05, 2020, 11:31:29 AM »
None of the holidaymakers were caring about time.  Even Stephen Carpenter was pretty vague,  But he seems quite certain the McCann party were seated by half eight ... possibly because he either looked at his watch or had calculated it from the time of his booking.

There is a time when the McCanns entered the tapas.

I remember seeing, we saw Gerry and Kate walk from, from our apartment, you could see the tables at the Tapas, erm I remember seeing Gerry and Kate sort of walk erm you know, into the Ocean Club and across to the Tapas, erm so Matt and I kind of sort of you know we'd better get going and that was, and walking down, we went out the front, the patio doors were locked, we went out the front door, locked that, erm through the car park and walked down the road and I think I remember going across the car park and asking Matt what the time was and it was about twenty to eight, er twenty to nine sorry. erm and so we were a bit later, erm and then when we got down there, Gerry and Kate were there already and were talking to erm I think he was called Steve, Steve who had played tennis with us and his wife, can't remember what her name was now, erm was erm, anyway they were sitting at the table having dinner and Gerry and Kate were talking to them and Jane was there as well and she was sort of talking with them as well, erm and then we all sat down.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Steve is Stephen Carpenter. Rachael asked Matt what time it was and he said 8:40 so the McCanns never entered the tapas before 8:35. Matt seemed to be the time-keeper. Interesting with his 9:50 Kate left the table to check time!

Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home. we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine".

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
« Last Edit: July 05, 2020, 11:35:03 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #519 on: July 05, 2020, 11:56:12 AM »
The prime suspect is now Breukner...and he isn't Smith man

Thanks for confirming that Brueckner did not do it!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #520 on: July 05, 2020, 12:09:45 PM »
The waiter stated that

"Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment."
Thanks and how does thst fit with the waiter’s statement of “some clamour at 21.20” and the table deserted by 21.40?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #521 on: July 05, 2020, 12:14:23 PM »
According to another waiter some other male left the table after the reheated food been served;

The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;
- The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

Jez Wilkins was in his apartment by 9:30pm, so he can't say what time the alarm was raised.
According to the statement I was referring to the alarm was raised at 9.20pm and everyone haad left the table at 9.40pm - do all the "independent" statements fit with that account?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #522 on: July 05, 2020, 01:03:52 PM »
Thanks and how does thst fit with the waiter’s statement of “some clamour at 21.20” and the table deserted by 21.40?

There's a few minutes discrepancy with regards to when the group left the table (In one statement there's a clamour around 21:20 and they've left the Tapas Bar around 21:40..... in the other statement the group have left the Tapas Bar "a few minutes" after 21:45). Neither witness places GM in the Tapas Bar at 22:00.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #523 on: July 05, 2020, 01:05:00 PM »
There's a few minutes discrepancy with regards to when the group left the table (In one statement there's a clamour around 21:20 and they've left the Tapas Bar around 21:40..... in the other statement the group have left the Tapas Bar "a few minutes" after 21:45). Neither witness places GM in the Tapas Bar at 22:00.
So the witness statements do not tally with each other.  Thank you.
PS: nice use of bolding as if to make out the time difference between the two statements is just 5 minutes, which of course it is not.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2020, 01:07:27 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #524 on: July 05, 2020, 01:10:26 PM »
So the witness statements do not tally with each other.  Thank you.

Pleasure and exactly as you would expect - just as we also see a discrepancy in the timeline of M.Oldfield and G. McCann.

The important point is that neither independent witness places GM in the Tapas Bar at 22:00.