Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?

[Mr Gray]

Why not?   Surely they could put this matter to bed instantly by disclosing what went on?

Why all the secrecy??

That paper is the equivalent of the sun.... Is, that the type of evidence you have.... Give it ti the police
Again.. Has amaral complained... No he hasn't.. It's all B.... IMO

[Brietta]

Lawyer caught with drugs in jail
Leonor Cipriano's lawyer was detained for drug possession the day before yesterday afternoon at the entrance of the Odemira Regional Prison, where he went to speak with customers. João Grade dos Santos, 50, visited three prisoners - one of them Joana's mother - and, according to information from the Commander of the GNR Evora Territorial Brigade, prison guards found during the safety review 45 doses of amphetamines and a quarter of ecstasy tablet.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/advogado-apanhado-com-droga-na-cadeia

Amaral to train with former “enemy”
by astro 9 years ago
Gonçalo Amaral’s patron was Leonor Cipriano’s defender until the trial of five PJ inspectors over torture on Joana’s mother. Now they are great friends
by Rute Coelho
'from the horse's mouth' ... Morais


Interesting when you think about it.
If he had been found guilty of the drug charge ... João Grade dos Santos was looking at a sentence of up to fifteen years.

Wonder how that little misdemeanour on his part was made to disappear?

[Robittybob1]

Why not?   Surely they could put this matter to bed instantly by disclosing what went on?

Why all the secrecy??

it appears any investigation into Metodo 3 will stir up issues for the PJ at the same time IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why not?   Surely they could put this matter to bed instantly by disclosing what went on?

Why all the secrecy??

"Neither Metodo 3 nor the McCann spokesperson, contacted by SIC, declined to give statements."

Eh?  Something lost in translation there methinks.

[Angelo222]

Lawyer caught with drugs in jail
Leonor Cipriano's lawyer was detained for drug possession the day before yesterday afternoon at the entrance of the Odemira Regional Prison, where he went to speak with customers. João Grade dos Santos, 50, visited three prisoners - one of them Joana's mother - and, according to information from the Commander of the GNR Evora Territorial Brigade, prison guards found during the safety review 45 doses of amphetamines and a quarter of ecstasy tablet.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/advogado-apanhado-com-droga-na-cadeia

Amaral to train with former “enemy”
by astro 9 years ago
Gonçalo Amaral’s patron was Leonor Cipriano’s defender until the trial of five PJ inspectors over torture on Joana’s mother. Now they are great friends
by Rute Coelho
'from the horse's mouth' ... Morais


Interesting when you think about it.
If he had been found guilty of the drug charge ... João Grade dos Santos was looking at a sentence of up to fifteen years.

Wonder how that little misdemeanour on his part was made to disappear?

The drugs were found in the belongings of a prisoner which the PJ had given to Grade to deliver to the prison.

Correio da Manhã
18 April 2008

The arrest of the lawyer, 50, took place on Thursday afternoon as he prepared to visit two female inmates in prison Beja, which is no longer Leonor Cipriano, accused of the murder of his daughter and sentenced to 16 years in jail.

 According to sources the GNR, the military security force detected amphetamines in individual doses equivalent to 45 and a quarter pill "ecstasy" amount.

 The Court of Beja determined as a measure of coercion lawyer the disclaimer Identity and Residence (TIR).

 "I'm stunned by the whole situation," he explained to Lusa attorney.  João Grade dos Santos said the bags were delivered to him "to take them to one of the inmates, whose house, where they were, had been subject to searches by the Judicial Police."
 "I hope that the case be clarified with the utmost urgency, to defend my good name and my honor," added the lawyer.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg126862#msg126862

[Mr Gray]

The drugs were found in the belongings of a prisoner which the PJ had given to Grade to deliver to the prison.

Correio da Manhã
18 April 2008

The arrest of the lawyer, 50, took place on Thursday afternoon as he prepared to visit two female inmates in prison Beja, which is no longer Leonor Cipriano, accused of the murder of his daughter and sentenced to 16 years in jail.

 According to sources the GNR, the military security force detected amphetamines in individual doses equivalent to 45 and a quarter pill "ecstasy" amount.

 The Court of Beja determined as a measure of coercion lawyer the disclaimer Identity and Residence (TIR).

 "I'm stunned by the whole situation," he explained to Lusa attorney.  João Grade dos Santos said the bags were delivered to him "to take them to one of the inmates, whose house, where they were, had been subject to searches by the Judicial Police."
 "I hope that the case be clarified with the utmost urgency, to defend my good name and my honor," added the lawyer.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg126862#msg126862

yes its like when people carry bags for others through customs...you are relying on newsaper reports for all your evidence...and we know we cannot trust papers...Why dont you give your case to the pj as you have claimed you will do the last 12 months a least...perhaps they will agree with me and tell you its all Bull

[Mr Gray]

The drugs were found in the belongings of a prisoner which the PJ had given to Grade to deliver to the prison.

Correio da Manhã
18 April 2008

The arrest of the lawyer, 50, took place on Thursday afternoon as he prepared to visit two female inmates in prison Beja, which is no longer Leonor Cipriano, accused of the murder of his daughter and sentenced to 16 years in jail.

 According to sources the GNR, the military security force detected amphetamines in individual doses equivalent to 45 and a quarter pill "ecstasy" amount.

 The Court of Beja determined as a measure of coercion lawyer the disclaimer Identity and Residence (TIR).

 "I'm stunned by the whole situation," he explained to Lusa attorney.  João Grade dos Santos said the bags were delivered to him "to take them to one of the inmates, whose house, where they were, had been subject to searches by the Judicial Police."
 "I hope that the case be clarified with the utmost urgency, to defend my good name and my honor," added the lawyer.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg126862#msg126862

so was the person who gave Grade the bag arrested or was it all swept under the carpet

[Robittybob1]

The drugs were found in the belongings of a prisoner which the PJ had given to Grade to deliver to the prison.

Correio da Manhã
18 April 2008

The arrest of the lawyer, 50, took place on Thursday afternoon as he prepared to visit two female inmates in prison Beja, which is no longer Leonor Cipriano, accused of the murder of his daughter and sentenced to 16 years in jail.

 According to sources the GNR, the military security force detected amphetamines in individual doses equivalent to 45 and a quarter pill "ecstasy" amount.

 The Court of Beja determined as a measure of coercion lawyer the disclaimer Identity and Residence (TIR).

 "I'm stunned by the whole situation," he explained to Lusa attorney.  João Grade dos Santos said the bags were delivered to him "to take them to one of the inmates, whose house, where they were, had been subject to searches by the Judicial Police."
 "I hope that the case be clarified with the utmost urgency, to defend my good name and my honor," added the lawyer.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg126862#msg126862

Have you looked into what "The Court of Beja determined as a measure of coercion lawyer the disclaimer Identity and Residence (TIR)" means in simpler language? 
I've seen the three letters "TIR" before, but now read they are "the disclaimer Identity and Residence".
Do you know how that disclaimer works?

[Robittybob1]

TIR
English translation: "Declaration of Identity and Residence"   https://www.proz.com/kudoz/portuguese_to_english/law_general/1492712-tir.html

[Brietta]

so was the person who gave Grade the bag arrested or was it all swept under the carpet

Good question.

[slartibartfast]

That paper is the equivalent of the sun.... Is, that the type of evidence you have.... Give it ti the police
Again.. Has amaral complained... No he hasn't.. It's all B.... IMO

Strange it was used by a supporter as strong source in a recently defunct post.

[Mr Gray]

Strange it was used by a supporter as strong source in a recently defunct post.

then angelo should present the article to the PJ and ask them to investigate

[Brietta]

         Reminder ... the thread topic is "Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?"

[Robittybob1]

it was sort of on topic.

[sadie]

Everyone involved Robbie.  Correia and M3 were merely tools in a devious plot to remove Amaral from the investigation. Portuguese lawyer John Grade has already made it known publicly that M3 approached him but he refused to cooperate with them.  We know that Marcos Correia was then approached and that he took on the Cipriano case refusing to disclose who was paying him.  The question is what on earth employing Correia has to do with finding Maddie?

I am writing this from memory.

It is my belief that Marcos Correia, as a young Lawyer, worked pro bono on the Cipriano case.
It is also my belief that he was very much encouraged, then supported, by Lawyer Marinho e Pinto to take on the Cipriano case.   At that time Marinho e Pinto was The President of the Portuguese Bar Association.   I got all the above info from Marcos personally when I corresponded with, then met him.

He later became a European MEP and more recently became the mainstay of the Portuguese political party, The Partido Democrático Republicano. 


Marinho e Pinto has shown a keen interest in fighting corruption and supporting the under dog against injustices by The State. 

I have wondered whether he was the third Lawyer in the Cipriano case.  Do you remember, there was serious torture and things that didn't add up ... and there was one Lawyer who refused to find Leonor guilty.  IMO Marinho de Pinto has the integrity, guts and drive to stand alone and fight injustice .... but I am just speculating here

Maybe Pinto was just influenced by the torture and unreasonable conclusions of some of the other State cases against the common Joe Bloggs of Portugal.  Dunno


But I believe Marinho e Pinto, President of the Portuguese Bar, to have been the mentor behind Marcos taking on the Cipriano Case.


All from memory of about 8-9 years ago ... and NO, I am not providing cites.  Take it or leave it as you wish