Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Exactly - the crime needs to be specified.

...And the crime/s  have not been established/published as yet.

[Brietta]

I do know what it means.

 

 IT Means they have NOT been declared innocent by anyone, .. just presumed. As much as you and other supporters constantly claim they 'are innocent' And With you being pedant about words and grammar, it may be useful for you to use that terminology when mentioning the McCanns and  mentioning innocence. Then we will be convinced you are really very clever knowing the difference!.

 

If you do know what it means I'm afraid your post demonstrates that you do not understand it.

[Angelo222]

...And the crime/s  have not been established/published as yet.

Nobody except possibly some unknown third party know what happened to Maddie but we do know what happy afterwards.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you do know what it means I'm afraid your post demonstrates that you do not understand it.

Oh I think we both know that not to be true. It cannot be difficult to add  the McCanns are presumed innocent as opposed to the McCanns are innocent, when you ,leading by example, are insisting on pushing that agenda of yours.

Now we can both see the difference very clearly.

I never read supporters discussing MBM's human rights regarding her parents behaviour. Interesting.

[Mr Gray]

Oh I think we both know that not to be true. It cannot be difficult to add  the McCanns are presumed innocent as opposed to the McCanns are innocent, when you ,leading by example, are insisting on pushing that agenda of yours.

Now we can both see the difference very clearly.

I never read supporters discussing MBM's human rights regarding her parents behaviour. Interesting.

I don't think the McCann's have signed up to the European convention on Human rights...it's just countried

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't think the McCann's have signed up to the European convention on Human rights...it's just countried

ah well that's ok.  I haven't signed up for them rights ether So I don't need to bother presuming innocent Tapas 9.

The point being made was much is being played about human rights. MBM also had them. Her parents failed in their duty to protect her to enjoy a human right to a 'family life'.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We're discussing whether someone can be described as 'innocent on the eyes of the law'. We're not discussing the 'presumption of innocence' except in so far as it's the only legal term which mentions innocence..

The fact that they are not being investigated, are not suspects, have never been charged with any offence, nor indeed found guilty of one means that they can legitimately be considered innocent.  If not, then what?  Not innocent? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think Roy Greenslade is correct. Some of the newspaper articles were horrendous and those publications certainly deserved to be called to account.  This whoever has no bearing on the wider question of the McCanns guilt or innocence.

I’d still be interested to know which of those newspaper articles you found “horrendous”.

[Vertigo Swirl]

...And the crime/s  have not been established/published as yet.

The crime of being involved in the disappearance of a child, presumed abducted /murdered / disposed of.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The fact that they are not being investigated, are not suspects, have never been charged with any offence, nor indeed found guilty of one means that they can legitimately be considered innocent.  If not, then what?  Not innocent?

The fact that they are not being investigated,
What fact is this?
 are not suspects,

what as of todays date you know this for sure? How would you know this?


 have never been charged with any offence,

Due to Portuguese feeling sorry for them in the beginning-they didn't press negligence charges
and not Enough evidence to charge then with another crime they are suspected of.

 nor indeed found guilty of one means that they can legitimately be considered innocent. But on that basis they have not been found not guilty either.

 If not, then what?  Not innocent?

In a legal term it would be presumed innocent. not declared innocent. We have discussed this already.

[G-Unit]

The fact that they are not being investigated, are not suspects, have never been charged with any offence, nor indeed found guilty of one means that they can legitimately be considered innocent.  If not, then what?  Not innocent?

You can say they are innocent if you wish. Saying they're innocent 'in the eyes of the law' is a misnomer.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You can say they are innocent if you wish. Saying they're innocent 'in the eyes of the law' is a misnomer.

You’d have no qualms if I were to describe then as suspects though would you?

[Angelo222]

The fact that they are not being investigated, are not suspects, have never been charged with any offence, nor indeed found guilty of one means that they can legitimately be considered innocent.  If not, then what?  Not innocent?

The truth is that nobody outside of the enquiry know who is being investigated.  The parents were both official suspects at one time and according to the highest court in Portugal they have not been cleared.  If anything I would say there is still reasonable doubt.

[G-Unit]

You’d have no qualms if I were to describe then as suspects though would you?

Whatever makes you think that?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Whatever makes you think that?

Your posting history mainly.