Author Topic: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?  (Read 92307 times)

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #330 on: August 01, 2018, 11:05:33 AM »
But some have admitted it...libel actions are quite often settled out of court

People settle to save money in case they lose. An offer to settle is unlikely to be accepted unless an admission of guilt is included.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #331 on: August 01, 2018, 12:13:20 PM »
People settle to save money in case they lose. An offer to settle is unlikely to be accepted unless an admission of guilt is included.
Like a retraction and an apology as well as damages.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #332 on: August 01, 2018, 12:14:00 PM »
People settle to save money in case they lose. An offer to settle is unlikely to be accepted unless an admission of guilt is included.
They do not have to settle if they have a defence

Offline G-Unit

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #333 on: August 01, 2018, 12:40:33 PM »
They do not have to settle if they have a defence

Litigation is a gamble, as the McCanns now probably realise. They gambled against the newspapers because they had measures in place which meant their personal finances were safe. That wasn't possible in Portugal as I understand it, so they gambled in Portugal without safeguards and lost. It remains to be seen whether they lost personally or whether they gambled with money which didn't belong to them.
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Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #334 on: August 01, 2018, 01:25:23 PM »
Litigation is a gamble, as the McCanns now probably realise. They gambled against the newspapers because they had measures in place which meant their personal finances were safe. That wasn't possible in Portugal as I understand it, so they gambled in Portugal without safeguards and lost. It remains to be seen whether they lost personally or whether they gambled with money which didn't belong to them.
Is that libellous?
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Offline jassi

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #335 on: August 01, 2018, 01:43:51 PM »
Is that libellous?

Why should it be? - they have wealthy backers.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #336 on: August 01, 2018, 01:52:00 PM »
Is that libellous?

OK then. The McCanns instructed lawyers to sue Amaral. They did so in their own and their children's names. It was a gamble because that's the nature of litigation. The evidence (Fund accounts) suggests that at least some the expenses connected to the action were paid by the Fund. The money in the Fund doesn't belong to the McCanns.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #337 on: August 01, 2018, 02:37:44 PM »
do you have a cite for that...that isnt what the final response from the SC was....and contradicts the SC judgeemnt which I have already posted

In the Allen vs UK case, the ECHR emphasised the importance of the presumption after the acquittal or dismissal of the criminal investigation, explaining that this principle prevents suspects or defendants in such cases are treated as if they were in fact responsible for the criminal offences of which they were accused and stressing that without this second level of protection – the level of full respect for acquittal or archiving – the presumption of innocence would remain illusory or merely ideal.

It’s in the SC verdict, same place you got yours from.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #338 on: August 01, 2018, 02:38:57 PM »
People settle to save money in case they lose. An offer to settle is unlikely to be accepted unless an admission of guilt is included.

Sometimes payments are made without prejudice.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #339 on: August 01, 2018, 02:42:58 PM »
The archiving dispatch said they never lost the presumption of innocence, however the investigation never cleared them. Two separate points.

Of more importance is that the Amaral investigation never charged them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #340 on: August 01, 2018, 02:49:00 PM »
Of more importance is that the Amaral investigation never charged them.

Off topic deflection.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #341 on: August 01, 2018, 02:51:46 PM »
Of more importance is that the Amaral investigation never charged them.

Yes... evidence of innocence

Offline Sunny

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #342 on: August 01, 2018, 03:18:22 PM »
Yes... evidence of innocence

A cite for that Davel or could I just say evidence of not enough evidence to charge them. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #343 on: August 01, 2018, 03:25:13 PM »
Off topic deflection.

LOL ... how can posting that no charges were brought against Kate and Gerry be "off topic deflection" unless your post to which I replied is also "off topic deflection"?

However in my opinion my post explains precisely exactly why the media were compelled to settle defamation actions out of court ... all the evidence categorically confirmed that the McCanns had been maligned by wrongful reporting ... and in the circumstances had they gone to court the papers would have been taken to the cleaners.

The papers were guilty of libel ... they admitted it ... they apologised for it ... and paid what was considered to be substantial damages for it at the time.

Very much on topic and very much a statement of fact  ^*&&
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #344 on: August 01, 2018, 03:32:11 PM »
A cite for that Davel or could I just say evidence of not enough evidence to charge them.

... and could I just say ... your post is bordering on libel.  There was no evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....