Author Topic: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?  (Read 92268 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #375 on: August 01, 2018, 09:10:38 PM »
Dr Carmichael?

have you heard of predictive text''''perhaps I need to turn it off

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #376 on: August 01, 2018, 09:26:39 PM »
Very true Brietta so why use it to sue Amaral rather than actually look for their beloved daughter.  I admire them for writing the book even if I don't believe every thing in it. I certainly don't approve of using donated funds to sue someone though. I would not have done that myself.

In a democracy there is no place for police to choose to ignore evidence while setting themselves up as prosecutor ~ judge ~ and jury.
That sort of behaviour is reserved for police states.

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Gonçalo Amaral told DN that such information "does not have any credibility for the Portuguese Police", being "completely put aside".

He added that his English colleagues "have been investigating tips and information created and worked out by the McCanns, forgetting that the couple is suspected of the death of their daughter Madeleine."
https://expresso.sapo.pt/dossies/dossiest_actualidade/dos_madeleine_mccan/dirigente-sindical-da-pj-concorda-com-saida-de-goncalo-amaral=f131683#gs.f7RpRnk


Nor is there any place for a former police officer whose theory has been disproved by more competent colleagues to write a book which defames the parents of the child he has declared is dead without a shred of evidence to support his claim.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #377 on: August 01, 2018, 09:27:16 PM »
Any decision to search or to hire a PI would also be a gamble.  There was no guarantee that they will look in the right place or that the PI will find something new.

Yes, they don't have a great track record in their decisions, do they? Bad luck or bad judgement I wonder?

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #378 on: August 01, 2018, 09:34:29 PM »
The McCann's were made suspects when the dogs alerted...the pj thought they had proof that Maddie had died in the apartment..it's all in the archiving report...
The PJ then realised they had no evidence....
The present situation according to De carmo is that the McCann's are not suspects and there's no evidence against them... obviously if evidence was  found that would change

I think the McCanns were suspected before the dogs set paw in Portugal. They were made arguidos after informing the PJ they were away home. In my opinion it was a case of have a go or do nothing and watch them disappear.
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Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #379 on: August 01, 2018, 09:40:05 PM »
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #380 on: August 01, 2018, 09:41:21 PM »
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excellent john...I hope the rule is rigourously enforced.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #381 on: August 01, 2018, 09:45:36 PM »
I think the McCanns were suspected before the dogs set paw in Portugal. They were made arguidos after informing the PJ they were away home. In my opinion it was a case of have a go or do nothing and watch them disappear.

How could they possibly disappear?  I don't think you have quite thought that post through.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #382 on: August 01, 2018, 09:48:12 PM »
How could they possibly disappear?  I don't think you have quite thought that post through.

They disappeared from Portugal for quite a while.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #383 on: August 01, 2018, 09:50:38 PM »
I think the McCanns were suspected before the dogs set paw in Portugal. They were made arguidos after informing the PJ they were away home. In my opinion it was a case of have a go or do nothing and watch them disappear.

If you read the archiving report it lists the indications which were used to make the mccanns arguidos.....parents of a missing child are always suspects initially

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #384 on: August 01, 2018, 09:58:05 PM »
If you read the archiving report it lists the indications which were used to make the mccanns arguidos.....parents of a missing child are always suspects initially
Suspects and arguidos are different ideas.  Had they been arguidos from the beginning the relationship with the PJ could have been more strained IMO.  They were kept under surveillance without being declared arguidos up until September.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #385 on: August 01, 2018, 10:00:41 PM »
Suspects and arguidos are different ideas.  Had they been arguidos from the beginning the relationship with the PJ could have been more strained IMO.  They were kept under surveillance without being declared arguidos up until September.

perhaps i should ahve used the word official suspects...the alerts certainly changed the attitude of the PJ to the mccanns...i think its no doubt they were a turning point

Offline Sunny

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #386 on: August 01, 2018, 10:10:10 PM »
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John, can I make this my signature please?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #387 on: August 02, 2018, 07:25:07 AM »
have you heard of predictive text''''perhaps I need to turn it off

No problem, thought I had missed something.
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Offline Sunny

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #388 on: August 02, 2018, 07:43:05 AM »
excellent john...I hope the rule is rigourously enforced.

So do I Davel, so do I.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the media wrong to settle defamation actions out of court?
« Reply #389 on: August 02, 2018, 08:57:24 AM »
excellent john...I hope the rule is rigourously enforced.
I won't be in a hurry to enforce it for it seems a time consuming process to find out if a cite was answered at all.
I have let John know of the difficulty.
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