Mark Warner Holidays

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't see it as a safe option full stop, but it's safer in a private area than a public one for obvious reasons.

What are the obvious reasons? Ingress by members of the public you mean?  Surely not!

[G-Unit]

Matthew and Rachael had been to Mark Warner in Lemnos, but that was before they had a child;

"we'd been to the Greek one in Lemnos, erm, originally before Grace was born"

Matthew mentions the fact that Lemnos was enclosed;

"I mean, they're not sealed from people from the outside, but they're sort of self-enclosed, erm, there's a warden sort of at the gate house"

So the message to strangers is that the area is private.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[G-Unit]

What are the obvious reasons? Ingress by members of the public you mean?  Surely not!

The public can see that it's enclosed so are discouraged from entering. If a child should wake and wander it's reasonable to assume they're still within the boundary. If there's a gatehouse there's a pair of eyes seeing if anyone leaves with a child.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The public can see that it's enclosed so are discouraged from entering. If a child should wake and wander it's reasonable to assume they're still within the boundary. If there's a gatehouse there's a pair of eyes seeing if anyone leaves with a child.

So at the OC would you consider ingress by members of the public to be a threat to the safety of sleeping children or not?  No need to reply, rhetorical question.

[G-Unit]

So at the OC would you consider ingress by members of the public to be a threat to the safety of sleeping children or not?  No need to reply, rhetorical question.

It's not what I think, its what they thought. So far it seems they weren't all that familiar with the Mark Warner listening service. The only people who actually claim to have used it were Jane and Russell. According to Jane the nannies were actually patrolling the block, not the streets. No doubt they would be paying close attention to those rooms/apartments on their list.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's not what I think, its what they thought. So far it seems they weren't all that familiar with the Mark Warner listening service. The only people who actually claim to have used it were Jane and Russell. According to Jane the nannies were actually patrolling the block, not the streets. No doubt they would be paying close attention to those rooms/apartments on their list.

Who is "they"?  Do you mean the OC considered there was a threat of ingress from members of the public to children sleeping in their accommodation?

[G-Unit]

Who is "they"?  Do you mean the OC considered there was a threat of ingress from members of the public to children sleeping in their accommodation?

I meant the holiday group who told us they copied (and improved on) the Mark Warner listening service offered at their other resorts. Copying implies reproducing. In order to reproduce something the first consideration is the surroundings. Are they the same? No. One is a private space, the other is a public space.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I meant the holiday group who told us they copied (and improved on) the Mark Warner listening service offered at their other resorts. Copying implies reproducing. In order to reproduce something the first consideration is the surroundings. Are they the same? No. One is a private space, the other is a public space.

They must have considered sleeping children left alone in their beds in a "public" space vulnerable to predators then, wouldn't you agree?  Presumably you don't because from what i can gather from your previous posts you seem to think the likelihood of Madeleine being the victim of such a predator to be virtually impossible.  Not asking for your opinion btw, just voicing mine. 

[Robittybob1]

They must have considered sleeping children left alone in their beds in a "public" space vulnerable to predators then, wouldn't you agree?  Presumably you don't because from what i can gather from your previous posts you seem to think the likelihood of Madeleine being the victim of such a predator to be virtually impossible.  Not asking for your opinion btw, just voicing mine.

I like your point.  The likelihood of Madeleine being the victim of a predator is NOT going to be virtually impossible.
The management at the Ocean Club must have been aware of this IMO.  This was shown by Silvia Batista admitting in an interview that she had personally contacted the McCanns that day offering babysitting services.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Anyone who excuses hotel baby listening services on the basis that they are private places as opposed to "public" places, is unwittingly admitting that strangers pose a threat to the safety of sleeping children left alone.

[G-Unit]

Anyone who excuses hotel baby listening services on the basis that they are private places as opposed to "public" places, is unwittingly admitting that strangers pose a threat to the safety of sleeping children left alone.

Anyone who suggests that there's no difference between baby listening on private property and in public places is ignoring the likelihood that a woke and wandered child will be quicker to find on private property.

[Brietta]

I like your point.  The likelihood of Madeleine being the victim of a predator is NOT going to be virtually impossible.
The management at the Ocean Club must have been aware of this IMO.  This was shown by Silvia Batista admitting in an interview that she had personally contacted the McCanns that day offering babysitting services.

Strange that Silvia Batista didn't mention that in any of the interviews she gave to the Policia Judicairia.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Anyone who suggests that there's no difference between baby listening on private property and in public places is ignoring the likelihood that a woke and wandered child will be quicker to find on private property.

Do you consider the home you live in a public place, out of interest?   And are you now saying that the only reason some hotels offer listening services is because they think if the child leaves the room of its own volition they’ll easily be able to find it again, so no harm done?  No obligation to reply.

[G-Unit]

Do you consider the home you live in a public place, out of interest?   And are you now saying that the only reason some hotels offer listening services is because they think if the child leaves the room of its own volition they’ll easily be able to find it again, so no harm done?  No obligation to reply.

Listening services are connected to premises owned and controlled by the provider.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Listening services are connected to premises owned and controlled by the provider.

So that’s the reason why there was no listening service at the OC, nothing to do with it being a “public” place then?