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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #300 on: July 28, 2018, 09:30:45 AM »
A CFA is necessary before a legal firm begin work in order to ensure they receive payment. In my opinion Gerry was confusing a CFA with an ATE insurance, which is normally put in place at the same time as a CFA.

The McCanns consulted Carter-Ruck in January 2008. It was agreed that CR would take the case on a CFA basis. That CFA would have been in place before any action was taken at all. It took two months of wrangling before Express Newspapers capitulated, by which time an application had been made to the court. That's why both parties attended the court in March.

A similar complaint was made against Associated Newspapers. They also paid compensation and printed an apology, but never attended court. That means that no application to the court was made regarding that complaint. It has never been claimed that the money paid by them was donated to the Fund.

There would be work done before a decision would be made to take the case with a CFA...this work would be free of charge.....or in its broader sense...pro bono

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #301 on: July 28, 2018, 09:38:51 AM »
A CFA is necessary before a legal firm begin work in order to ensure they receive payment. In my opinion Gerry was confusing a CFA with an ATE insurance, which is normally put in place at the same time as a CFA.

The McCanns consulted Carter-Ruck in January 2008. It was agreed that CR would take the case on a CFA basis. That CFA would have been in place before any action was taken at all. It took two months of wrangling before Express Newspapers capitulated, by which time an application had been made to the court. That's why both parties attended the court in March.

A similar complaint was made against Associated Newspapers. They also paid compensation and printed an apology, but never attended court. That means that no application to the court was made regarding that complaint. It has never been claimed that the money paid by them was donated to the Fund.

do you have a cite thath an application was made to court to hear the case...imo there was no application to court as the Express case was so weak they would ahve no defence...and would have agreed to settle out of court..

so...cite please....your post is almost entirely opinion posted as fact......after all your  posting about forum rules..

your recent post.....


There are facts and there are opinions. People tend to present their opinions as facts. They also tend to embellish the facts so they support their opinions. That's why cites are necessary so everyone can see which are which.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #302 on: July 28, 2018, 09:47:02 AM »
A CFA is necessary before a legal firm begin work in order to ensure they receive payment. In my opinion Gerry was confusing a CFA with an ATE insurance, which is normally put in place at the same time as a CFA.

The McCanns consulted Carter-Ruck in January 2008. It was agreed that CR would take the case on a CFA basis. That CFA would have been in place before any action was taken at all. It took two months of wrangling before Express Newspapers capitulated, by which time an application had been made to the court. That's why both parties attended the court in March.

A similar complaint was made against Associated Newspapers. They also paid compensation and printed an apology, but never attended court. That means that no application to the court was made regarding that complaint. It has never been claimed that the money paid by them was donated to the Fund.

Please provide a cite substantiating your claim regarding the libel damages paid by Associated Newspapers and Madeleine's Fund.
Is this in reference to the damages paid to the McCann holiday companions?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #303 on: July 28, 2018, 09:59:31 AM »
Well the good thing is we are asking G-unit for a cite.  We might be lucky with this request.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #304 on: July 28, 2018, 10:04:30 AM »
There would be work done before a decision would be made to take the case with a CFA...this work would be free of charge.....or in its broader sense...pro bono

What work? The CFA was discussed, offered and accepted at the first meeting between the McCanns and Carter-Ruck according to Kate McCann.

We had a meeting with Adam Tudor, who was extremely helpful and went through the pros and cons of legal action in considerable detail. Adam and his partners agreed to take on the case on a no-win, no-fee basis and that certainly made our decision a lot easier. The thought of having to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds to get justice would have been a major deterrent. [madeleine]
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #305 on: July 28, 2018, 10:15:45 AM »
Please provide a cite substantiating your claim regarding the libel damages paid by Associated Newspapers and Madeleine's Fund.
Is this in reference to the damages paid to the McCann holiday companions?

It is true that Associated Newspapers paid compensation to the McCanns and printed a front page apology to them in the Evening Standard.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #306 on: July 28, 2018, 10:16:54 AM »
There would be work done before a decision would be made to take the case with a CFA...this work would be free of charge.....or in its broader sense...pro bono

Do you have a  cite for this pro bono work being carried out? Or are you just making this up?

If there is no cite it should be highlighted as speculation only. ie making it up.

There is no mention of 'free meetings' or the word pro bono  in Gerry or Kates discussion of this.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #307 on: July 28, 2018, 11:11:33 AM »
It is true that Associated Newspapers paid compensation to the McCanns and printed a front page apology to them in the Evening Standard.

As far as I know ALL libel payments from the press both awarded to the McCanns and to the group with whom they were on holiday were paid into Madeleine's Fund.

Your post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9874.msg475633#msg475633 has muddied the waters on that and therefore demands a direct cite as already requested.  I will be obliged to you either for the provision of one in support of your statement ... or that you amend your original post to reflect the true situation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #308 on: July 28, 2018, 11:16:13 AM »
What work? The CFA was discussed, offered and accepted at the first meeting between the McCanns and Carter-Ruck according to Kate McCann.

We had a meeting with Adam Tudor, who was extremely helpful and went through the [ censored word ] and cons of legal action in considerable detail. Adam and his partners agreed to take on the case on a no-win, no-fee basis and that certainly made our decision a lot easier. The thought of having to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds to get justice would have been a major deterrent. [madeleine]

when was this meeting...It would be after CR had considered and put some thoughts into the case..imo....i have seen a staement where CR have a discussion between themselves before decideng to take a cse pro bone...tehy obviously need to look at the merits of teh case first

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #309 on: July 28, 2018, 11:18:23 AM »
What work? The CFA was discussed, offered and accepted at the first meeting between the McCanns and Carter-Ruck according to Kate McCann.

We had a meeting with Adam Tudor, who was extremely helpful and went through the [ censored word ] and cons of legal action in considerable detail. Adam and his partners agreed to take on the case on a no-win, no-fee basis and that certainly made our decision a lot easier. The thought of having to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds to get justice would have been a major deterrent. [madeleine]

Where does it ay this was the first meeting...it doesnt...so cite for first meeting
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #310 on: July 28, 2018, 11:19:26 AM »
A CFA is necessary before a legal firm begin work in order to ensure they receive payment. In my opinion Gerry was confusing a CFA with an ATE insurance, which is normally put in place at the same time as a CFA.

The McCanns consulted Carter-Ruck in January 2008. It was agreed that CR would take the case on a CFA basis. That CFA would have been in place before any action was taken at all. It took two months of wrangling before Express Newspapers capitulated, by which time an application had been made to the court. That's why both parties attended the court in March.

A similar complaint was made against Associated Newspapers. They also paid compensation and printed an apology, but never attended court. That means that no application to the court was made regarding that complaint. It has never been claimed that the money paid by them was donated to the Fund.

cite for point in red...second request

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #311 on: July 28, 2018, 11:24:24 AM »
What work? The CFA was discussed, offered and accepted at the first meeting between the McCanns and Carter-Ruck according to Kate McCann.

We had a meeting with Adam Tudor, who was extremely helpful and went through the [ censored word ] and cons of legal action in considerable detail. Adam and his partners agreed to take on the case on a no-win, no-fee basis and that certainly made our decision a lot easier. The thought of having to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds to get justice would have been a major deterrent. [madeleine]

from the CR website..

Do I have to go to court to obtain redress for libel or slander?
Not necessarily. You first need to write a letter of complaint (or ideally instruct media lawyers specialising in defamation) under what is called the Defamation Pre-Action Protocol. The courts are keen for parties to try to resolve things without going to court, as this will save costs and time. Many disputes are solved without the need for court proceedings.


so the first stage would not be going to court...as you seemto think...it would be writing a letter...as i have previously pointed out...as the start of Pre Action Protocol....no court action is launched until an attempt to settle out of court is made...those are the facts...


Defamation Pre action Protocol.
The Defamation Pre Action Protocol is a code of practice which the parties to a dispute should follow when litigation needs to be considered.  The protocol encourages both parties to disclose information to enable each other to understand their case and to promote the prospect of an early resolution. If a claim proceeds to litigation the Court can consider the extent to which the protocol has been followed.
Letter of Claim

The claimant should notify the defendant of his or her claim in writing at the earliest opportunity. The letter of claim must  include the following information:

Name of the claimant;
Sufficient  details to identify the publication or broadcast which contain the words complained of;
The words complained of;
The words complained of, the date of publication and a copy of the transcript of the words complained of should also be enclosed;
The letter of claim should describe the nature of the remedies sought;
Any facts or matters which make you identifiable from the words  complained of and;
Details of any special facts relevant to the interpretation of the words complained of and or any particular damage caused by the words complained of.
Defendants Response to the Letter of Claim

The defendant should provide a full response to the letter as soon as reasonably possible. If the defendant considers they will not be able to respond within 14 days, or a shorter time specified in the letter, then they need to write to the claimant’s solicitor specifying when they intend to respond.

The Response needs to include the following:

To what extent the claim is accepted;
Whether anymore information is required as to the claim;
If the defendant accepts the claim in whole or part then the defendant needs to indicate the remedies it intends to offer;
If more information is required then the defendant needs to specify exactly what more information is required to enable the defendant to deal with the claim;
If the claim is rejected then the defendant needs to explain the reasons why its rejected and an indication of the facts on which the defendant is likely to rely on and;
The defendant should also include in the response to the letter, what meaning the defendant attributes to the words complained of.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #312 on: July 28, 2018, 12:34:11 PM »
from the CR website..

Do I have to go to court to obtain redress for libel or slander?
Not necessarily. You first need to write a letter of complaint (or ideally instruct media lawyers specialising in defamation) under what is called the Defamation Pre-Action Protocol. The courts are keen for parties to try to resolve things without going to court, as this will save costs and time. Many disputes are solved without the need for court proceedings.


so the first stage would not be going to court...as you seemto think...it would be writing a letter...as i have previously pointed out...as the start of Pre Action Protocol....no court action is launched until an attempt to settle out of court is made...those are the facts...


Defamation Pre action Protocol.
The Defamation Pre Action Protocol is a code of practice which the parties to a dispute should follow when litigation needs to be considered.  The protocol encourages both parties to disclose information to enable each other to understand their case and to promote the prospect of an early resolution. If a claim proceeds to litigation the Court can consider the extent to which the protocol has been followed.
Letter of Claim

The claimant should notify the defendant of his or her claim in writing at the earliest opportunity. The letter of claim must  include the following information:

Name of the claimant;
Sufficient  details to identify the publication or broadcast which contain the words complained of;
The words complained of;
The words complained of, the date of publication and a copy of the transcript of the words complained of should also be enclosed;
The letter of claim should describe the nature of the remedies sought;
Any facts or matters which make you identifiable from the words  complained of and;
Details of any special facts relevant to the interpretation of the words complained of and or any particular damage caused by the words complained of.
Defendants Response to the Letter of Claim

The defendant should provide a full response to the letter as soon as reasonably possible. If the defendant considers they will not be able to respond within 14 days, or a shorter time specified in the letter, then they need to write to the claimant’s solicitor specifying when they intend to respond.

The Response needs to include the following:

To what extent the claim is accepted;
Whether anymore information is required as to the claim;
If the defendant accepts the claim in whole or part then the defendant needs to indicate the remedies it intends to offer;
If more information is required then the defendant needs to specify exactly what more information is required to enable the defendant to deal with the claim;
If the claim is rejected then the defendant needs to explain the reasons why its rejected and an indication of the facts on which the defendant is likely to rely on and;
The defendant should also include in the response to the letter, what meaning the defendant attributes to the words complained of.


Express Newspapers agreed to settle after a court date was set. In order for a court date to be set an application had to be made and a fee paid.

Associated Press agreed to settle before a court date was set. Therefore no application needed to be submitted to the Queen's Bench, and no-one needed to attend the court.

It's all in 'madeleine' by Kate McCann. In regard to Express Newspapers;

Adam and his partners agreed to take on the case on a no-win, no-fee basis.......It took a couple of months of legal to-ing and froing, but the Express Group finally conceded that their stories were untrue.

we also issued a formal complaint against Associated Newspapers......After a rather protracted series of negotiations we came to an agreement involving financial compensation and a front-page apology in the Standard.
 

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Offline John

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #313 on: July 28, 2018, 12:40:52 PM »
Readers should be aware that the legal action against the McCanns occurred in 2008 and as such current legislation and/or protocols are not relevant to these proceedings.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Pro bono or Conditional Fee Arrangement (CFA)?
« Reply #314 on: July 28, 2018, 01:25:54 PM »
As far as I know ALL libel payments from the press both awarded to the McCanns and to the group with whom they were on holiday were paid into Madeleine's Fund.

Your post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9874.msg475633#msg475633 has muddied the waters on that and therefore demands a direct cite as already requested.  I will be obliged to you either for the provision of one in support of your statement ... or that you amend your original post to reflect the true situation.

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