Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So how do you deduce that someone was silent if you weren't there to see or hear?

Did you notice Kate’s use of the word “apparently”?

[G-Unit]

on the evidence...if you were there you would not have to deduce anything...you would know

What evidence?.

[slartibartfast]

on the evidence...if you were there you would not have to deduce anything...you would know

Are you suggesting Kate was there?

[Mr Gray]

Are you suggesting Kate was there?

If you are having to ask me I'm clearly not suggesting it

[slartibartfast]

If you are having to ask me I'm clearly not suggesting it

It appears you are but I find that hard to believe hence the question.

[Mr Gray]

What evidence?.

the open window and the missing child.....those convinced Kate Maddie had been abducted

[G-Unit]

the open window and the missing child.....those convinced Kate Maddie had been abducted

We were discussing Kate's assumption that Madeleine made no sound. There is no evidence to base that on imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We were discussing Kate's assumption that Madeleine made no sound. There is no evidence to base that on imo.

How about the fact that Mrs Fenn with her acute hearing didn’t claim to hear any shrieking or crying that night?

[barrier]

How about the fact that Mrs Fenn with her acute hearing didn’t claim to hear any shrieking or crying that night?

Perhaps there was nothing to hear until about 22:30.

From her statement.

During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out

[Robittybob1]

So how do you deduce that someone was silent if you weren't there to see or hear?

No one reports hearing a child cry. None of the neighbours report it, none of the Tapas 9 nor any of the Tapas restaurant workers report hearing anything.

[Robittybob1]

Perhaps there was nothing to hear until about 22:30.

From her statement.

Exactly.  It would hard to argue that it was all quiet after 10:30 PM.  Taking into account Pam Fenn: "During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out"

[Brietta]

No one reports hearing a child cry. None of the neighbours report it, none of the Tapas 9 nor any of the Tapas restaurant workers report hearing anything.

The Moyes were at home from around 9.15pm and were on their balcony for some of that time, they heard nothing.  Russell was also in the building and heard nothing.

[Brietta]

Exactly.  It would hard to argue that it was all quiet after 10:30 PM.  Taking into account Pam Fenn: "During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out"

Didn't Kate discover Madeleine missing at 10.00pm?

[Robittybob1]

Didn't Kate discover Madeleine missing at 10.00pm?

So we are told but we were considering noise.  Certainly various people heard Kate screaming but what is the earliest?  We were really considering whether anyone heard Madeleine crying out, but any noise will do.

[Brietta]

So we are told but we were considering noise.  Certainly various people heard Kate screaming but what is the earliest?  We were really considering whether anyone heard Madeleine crying out, but any noise will do.

Madeleine was missing by ten ... if there had been any noise from her it would have been heard sometime between the last sighting of her and then.