Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Miss Taken Identity]

If the children were drugged as Kate suggested, she was in the best position to identify what could be used.

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[Vertigo Swirl]

If the children were drugged as Kate suggested, she is in a better position to identify what could be used.

Kate was in a better position than whom to identify the drug used to sedate the children?   Do different sedatives present differently?  Can an experienced anasethetist whos job is to anaesthetise patients prior to surgery tell just by observing a sedated child what drug they have been given?  Perhaps a cite or two would be handy here.  Looking forward to being educated on this matter in due course.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kate was in a better position than whom to identify the drug used to sedate the children?   Do different sedatives present differently?  Can an experienced anasethetist whos job is to anaesthetise patients prior to surgery tell just by observing a sedated child what drug they have been given?  Perhaps a cite or two would be handy here.  Looking forward to being educated on this matter in due course.

Kate suspected the children were 'sedated' this may have been a miss used word in that context.However, staying with that context I  know that Kate having suspected the children  were drugged would be able to offer further information. for example:  taking hair samples can detect drugs consumed up to one year in some cases,detecting smells as another. As a Fully trained anaesthetist  she would have a specialist knowledge of pharmaceuticals and how they work on children. I have already mentioned dosage etc.

I believe this claim was made to offer a reason for the children very deep sleep that night, at a later date because, if she suspected at the time she would insist her children be examined. She didn't ask for her children to be examined. So really she MAY have  just offering an off the cuff  excuse or reason.

I cannot cite as this is my opinion. but google 'anaesthetist'  See what comes up...

[Robittybob1]

Kate suspected the children were 'sedated' this may have been a miss used word in that context.However, staying with that context I  know that Kate having suspected the children  were drugged would be able to offer further information. for example:  taking hair samples can detect drugs consumed up to one year in some cases,detecting smells as another. As a Fully trained anaesthetist  she would have a specialist knowledge of pharmaceuticals and how they work on children. I have already mentioned dosage etc.

I believe this claim was made to offer a reason for the children very deep sleep that night, at a later date because, if she suspected at the time she would insist her children be examined. She didn't ask for her children to be examined. So really she MAY have  just offering an off the cuff  excuse or reason.

I cannot cite as this is my opinion. but google 'anaesthetist'  See what comes up...

Only if the hair is left uncut for a year.   If the person gets their hair cut and it removes the hair grown at the time of the chemical administration the hair with the evidence will be removed.

[Mr Gray]

Kate suspected the children were 'sedated' this may have been a miss used word in that context.However, staying with that context I  know that Kate having suspected the children  were drugged would be able to offer further information. for example:  taking hair samples can detect drugs consumed up to one year in some cases,detecting smells as another. As a Fully trained anaesthetist  she would have a specialist knowledge of pharmaceuticals and how they work on children. I have already mentioned dosage etc.

I believe this claim was made to offer a reason for the children very deep sleep that night, at a later date because, if she suspected at the time she would insist her children be examined. She didn't ask for her children to be examined. So really she MAY have  just offering an off the cuff  excuse or reason.

I cannot cite as this is my opinion. but google 'anaesthetist'  See what comes up...

so Kate thought the children may have been sedated....is that supposed to be some sort of evidence of her einvolvement ...its extremely weak

[Vertigo Swirl]

We can rule out w & w and an accident, and it would explain why an alleged abductor was able to remove Madeleine from her bed without disturbing her. IMO.

[G-Unit]

We can rule out w & w and an accident, and it would explain why an alleged abductor was able to remove Madeleine from her bed without disturbing her. IMO.

On what basis are you assuming that if two children were sedated therefore a third child was also sedated?

[Robittybob1]

On what basis are you assuming that if two children were sedated therefore a third child was also sedated?

"Best guess"

[G-Unit]

"Best guess"

There is no evidence that any children were sedated. The McCanns suggested the possibility initially.

[Vertigo Swirl]

On what basis are you assuming that if two children were sedated therefore a third child was also sedated?

On the basis of why the hell would you only do two of three, and leave out the one we all know had problems with sleeping?? 

[Miss Taken Identity]

There is no evidence that any children were sedated. The McCanns suggested the possibility initially.

Possibly because of a change in their expected  behaviour...

1. They are small children they do tend to wake up.
2.They were known to wake up , they had a chart at home.
3.It was said that MBM  reported the crying and a child woke up
4. The parents insisted that a slight noise from a door or a light on would wake them up- they would know this from experience
5. This a the reason they gave for using a particular door for baby listening.

So for them self same children to sleep though lights on- doors open. shutters open wind blowing curtains,  abductor rummaging, many people talking and parents screaming then   well  it is reasonable to ask why do you think this was?

And to add . The parents didn't seem surprised that their children didn't wake up with all the commotion. and suggesting they were drugged by an abductor is taking the persis... I revert back to how would an abductor know dosage to administer to children without knowing weight height and any allergies which could conflict.

[barrier]

Right.  I won’t ask you if you believe they were given something stronger as you don’t like your beliefs questioned but I would just repeat that if the twins were sedated to the point of being unrousable then everything I said in my previous post still stands - we can rule out w & w and an accident, and it would explain why an alleged abductor was able to remove Madeleine from her bed without disturbing her. IMO.

Who are you suggesting admisistered this sedation to allow this supposed abduction.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who are you suggesting admisistered this sedation to allow this supposed abduction.

Who knows?

[G-Unit]

BLACK or WHITE, good example.  If this, then that, if that then this.   You weren't there, you don't know what happened exactly, you don't know to what extent the kids roused or turned over momentarily or otherwise, Kate is well within her rights to speculate that her kids may have been sedated based on her own observations, and doesn't need you to tell her how she should or shouldn't have behaved. IMO.

Neither of us were there so we have to rely on the testimony of those who were. If I find what they say doesn't make sense to me then I'll say so.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Neither of us were there so we have to rely on the testimony of those who were. If I find what they say doesn't make sense to me then I'll say so.

And if what you say doesn’t represent a fair, objective and nuanced appraisal of the facts then I shall say so too.