"Start by asking yourself what is a sceptic and work on from there"

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well, despite your intelligence you never seem to notice inconsistencies that other intelligent people have noticed. When faced with evidence in the form of contradictory statements you either deny that it is evidence or you offer explanations which you seem to have invented.

I have not yet received cites to back up this IMO unfair accusation and will keep on demanding them until cites are forthcoming or this post is removed.

[G-Unit]

I will accept your apology.

OK I still struggle that you can say  "I neither know nor care what Grime said" for what he said is treated with great respect on this forum.  I was warned by another moderator not to libel Grime.  So basically we have to treat everything he says as important. 

Thanks

The things that Grime did and said are things he had done many times before. I expect Mark Harrison had been present on other occasions when Grime worked his dogs. The whole operation was carried out according to their instructions.

Some people think they know enough to set themselves up as judges of Grime's work. I don't, so have no interest in examining it looking at things which these people think are 'wrong'. In my opinion they can't possibly judge because they don't know enough about the subject.

It's not a case of treating everything Grime says as important. It's a case of not making unfounded accusations such as calling him a liar or incompetent.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The things that Grime did and said are things he had done many times before. I expect Mark Harrison had been present on other occasions when Grime worked his dogs. The whole operation was carried out according to their instructions.

Some people think they know enough to set themselves up as judges of Grime's work. I don't, so have no interest in examining it looking at things which these people think are 'wrong'. In my opinion they can't possibly judge because they don't know enough about the subject.

It's not a case of treating everything Grime says as important. It's a case of not making unfounded accusations such as calling him a liar or incompetent.

If only we could have the same even-handed approach to everyone involved in this case.

[G-Unit]

I have not yet received cites to back up this IMO unfair accusation and will keep on demanding them until cites are forthcoming or this post is removed.

I'm not trawling through the forum for cites, so I'll just say in my opinion. Anyone interested can probably find examples for themselves.

[G-Unit]

If only we could have the same even-handed approach to everyone involved in this case.

If you mean me, perhaps you can provide cites demonstrating my lack of even handedness?

[Erngath]

I'm not trawling through the forum for cites, so I'll just say in my opinion. Anyone interested can probably find examples for themselves.

You have made unfair accusations against Vertigo Swirl for which you are not prepared to give any cites or evidence.
A most unfair way of posting and I would imagine against forum rules.

[Mr Gray]

If you mean me, perhaps you can provide cites demonstrating my lack of even handedness?

IMO criticism  of Grime is perfectly valid... I have a lot more to say but it really is not important.... Those that matter understand

[Robittybob1]

You have made unfair accusations against Vertigo Swirl for which you are not prepared to give any cites or evidence.
A most unfair way of posting and I would imagine against forum rules.

Let's settle the matter there please.

[Mr Gray]

Well, despite your intelligence you never seem to notice inconsistencies that other intelligent people have noticed. When faced with evidence in the form of contradictory statements you either deny that it is evidence or you offer explanations which you seem to have invented.

That's a totally inaccurate  post... There are inconsistencies in the, statements but I and others, think there are innocent explanations for them... And again as the McCann's are clearly not being investigated both police forces agree with our point of view

[Robittybob1]

Opinion Davel. opinion G-unit.

[G-Unit]

You have made unfair accusations against Vertigo Swirl for which you are not prepared to give any cites or evidence.
A most unfair way of posting and I would imagine against forum rules.

I apologise for my posts which are directed to VS. I didn't intend to single him/her out though. I was discussing his assertion about intelligent people so I was still referring to all of them. Finding cites by all of them would be a huge job.

Inconsistencies in the McCann's story are there. Fact. Explanations such as translation errors, interpreter mistakes or the state of mind of the McCanns are not facts, they are speculations in my opinion.

[Mr Gray]

I apologise for my posts which are directed to VS. I didn't intend to single him/her out though. I was discussing his assertion about intelligent people so I was still referring to all of them. Finding cites by all of them would be a huge job.

Inconsistencies in the McCann's story are there. Fact. Explanations such as translation errors, interpreter mistakes or the state of mind of the McCanns are not facts, they are speculations in my opinion.

No one has denied the inconsistencies in the statements so your claim is false... You THINK... the inconsistencies are important... I don't.... It appears both investigating police forces are not investigating the McCann's which suggests they agree with me...that's evidence to support my view... Who agrees with you

[faithlilly]

There's nothing wrong with being sceptical. Sceptics are less likely to be fooled by scammers, PR people, advertisers or self-interested politicians.

On forums discussing the McCann case it has been given a different meaning. It's used as a criticism of those who don't believe without question every word uttered by the McCann couple.

I have no problem agreeing that I'm a sceptical person, but I have no intention of accepting a label with an entirely different meaning dreamed up by posters on the internet.

I think this thread is, and could only have been, posted to be divisive.

[Brietta]

There's nothing wrong with being sceptical. Sceptics are less likely to be fooled by scammers, PR people, advertisers or self-interested politicians.

On forums discussing the McCann case it has been given a different meaning. It's used as a criticism of those who don't believe without question every word uttered by the McCann couple.

I have no problem agreeing that I'm a sceptical person, but I have no intention of accepting a label with an entirely different meaning dreamed up by posters on the internet.

As very much an individual, I bristle when having a label of any kind attached to me ... but were someone to do a word count of posts on the forum containing a version of "supporter" I think it might be safe to put the mortgage on it far outrunning "sceptic" ... and it sure would if the word count included deleted posts.

The discussion though, does indeed highlight exactly how puerile much of what goes on in the internet is.  I think that may be your main problem with this particular thread.

[Angelo222]

I said a long time ago that it is possible IMO for the PJ to have planted cadaver odour to encourage a confession... Unlikely but possible.. Imo

Earth being invaded by aliens is possible too.  Hardly helpful to the debate though is it?