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Offline Robittybob1

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #135 on: August 19, 2018, 08:54:33 PM »
Why should anyone here be one of the collators?

Could be there is "sceptic" here who is actually a supporter but pretending to be a sceptic who could actually be one of the collators ?
No too complicated for them to pull off IMO.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2018, 08:54:57 PM »
can you explain why it is not justifiable?  There was nothing in the dossier as far as I know that the media couldn’t have discovered for themselves and whoever handed Sky the dossier didn’t force them to go with the story.

Handing something to the police can be described as a justified concern that the law is being broken. I can think of no justification for handing it to the media.
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Offline jassi

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2018, 08:56:11 PM »
Why should anyone here be one of the collators?

Could be there is "sceptic" here who is actually a supporter but pretending to be a sceptic who could actually be one of the collators ?

What would be the point?
 Its not as if us sceptics get together for a daily Team Brief  to discuss tactics- or if they do, they don't include me   @)(++(*
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline jassi

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2018, 08:57:11 PM »
Handing something to the police can be described as a justified concern that the law is being broken. I can think of no justification for handing it to the media.

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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Sunny

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #139 on: August 19, 2018, 09:01:31 PM »
No too complicated for them to pull off IMO.

I would imagine you could watch without posting although I have seen some goading elsewhere that is aimed at making sure the target posts what the goader requires so they can save the post. I have seen that mentioned regarding at least one of Brenda Leyland's posts.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #140 on: August 19, 2018, 09:16:35 PM »
Which is perhaps how it should be.
Police have enough to do dealing with actual crime, without having to bother with upset feelings.
IMO

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Offline G-Unit

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #141 on: August 19, 2018, 09:24:22 PM »
No too complicated for them to pull off IMO.

Who would even think up such a crazy idea? Apart from Erngarth, that is?
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Offline barrier

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2018, 09:29:22 PM »
What would be the point?
 Its not as if us sceptics get together for a daily Team Brief  to discuss tactics- or if they do, they don't include me   @)(++(*


There isn't a team,thank god for that.

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Offline Erngath

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2018, 09:30:21 PM »
Who would even think up such a crazy idea? Apart from Erngarth, that is?

Good grief.
It was a jest.
Sheesh.
I think most posters were aware of that.
Apologies to you that you took my jest as a serious suggestion.
Never been called crazy before  (&^&
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2018, 09:31:51 PM »
Who would even think up such a crazy idea? Apart from Erngarth, that is?
What about Amaral's idea of the MI5 hiding Madeleine's body in a coffin lying in wake in the local church, and later having it cremated.  That just about takes the cake IMO.
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Offline barrier

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2018, 09:32:28 PM »
What about Amaral's idea of the MI5 hiding Madeleine's body in a coffin the local church, and later having it cremated.  That just about takes the cake IMO.

Cite for his idea.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2018, 09:33:37 PM »
Good grief.
It was a jest.
Sheesh.
I think most posters were aware of that.
Apologies to you that you took my jest as a serious suggestion.
Never been called crazy before  (&^&
We got you to confess at least.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2018, 10:02:08 PM »
Handing something to the police can be described as a justified concern that the law is being broken. I can think of no justification for handing it to the media.
Really?  The media has been instrumental in bringing so many cases to justice that were previously ignored by the police.
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Offline Brietta

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #148 on: August 19, 2018, 10:38:50 PM »
Exposing troll was the right thing to do
I DO NOT buy into this idea that Twitter troll Brenda Leyland should have been ignored instead of exposed.

By CAMILLA TOMINEY
PUBLISHED: 09:31, Sun, Oct 12, 2014

There have been calls for Martin Brunt, the Sky News reporter who outed her, to be sacked after she was found dead in a hotel room two days later.

Talk about shooting the messenger.

Yes, Leyland was someone's mother, but so is Kate McCann, the woman she so mercilessly taunted online. Everyone on the receiving end of this kind of viral vomit is someone's daughter or someone's son. The solution is not for victims to simply grow a thicker skin.

Should Stella Creasy, the Labour MP who was threatened with rape for supporting a crusade to have women featured on the new £10 note, just have shrugged her shoulders and got on with it? Of course not.

Trolls like Leyland publish these online diatribes precisely because they have been able to get away with it for so long. Even Creasy said the police did not take the harassment seriously at first because it was happening online rather than in person. She was one of the lucky ones. Thanks in part to her high-profile position as a leading politician, her perpetrator, Peter Nunn, was jailed for 18 weeks last month.

However if the law cannot always bring these online offenders to However if the law cannot always bring these online offenders to justice then the task inevitably falls to journalists like Brunt. Some have criticised his decision to target Leyland because she did not actually threaten to kill the McCanns, unlike other trolls. But she did send thousands of hate tweets. Some days she would send more than 50 messages attacking the McCanns.

Had she hurled this abuse at the couple in the street, she would have been hauled off in handcuffs. Instead she continued to publish with impunity, safe from scrutiny at home in Burton Overy, just 15 miles from where the McCanns live in Leicestershire. Yes, these were the acts of an obsessed loner but "being an oddball" is not a defence to this sort of criminal behaviour.

Which brings us to Leyland's state of mind. As the inquest has not yet been carried out into her "non-suspicious" death, it would be wrong to pre-empt the coroner's verdict. But why has there been so much focus on Leyland's mental health and not the McCanns'? I cannot imagine they have been faring well psychologically since three-year-old Madeleine went missing in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.

There is an old adage that you should not dish it out if you cannot take it back.

We are all responsible for what we say, and that includes on social networking sites. What goes online, stays online. These words do not just disappear into the ether once you press "post", they are preserved for eternity.

A "Sack Martin Brunt" Facebook page has been set up in Leyland's memory which has already attracted more than 1,000 likes. While I feel sympathy for anyone who has lost a loved one, what are her supporters trying to achieve? Brunt was not trolling Leyland. All he did was reveal her identity. I hope he exposes as many others as possible.

Speaking after she was confronted, Leyland admitted: "I regret what I've done". She might have lived a lie but at least she died with the dignity of finally being honest with herself. Her death will not be in vain if it finally makes trolls think twice before tweeting, serving as a reminder that they are only ever a mouse click away from being unmasked.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/camilla-tominey/521746/Camilla-Tominey-McCanns-trolls-wake-up-selfies-the-real-Prince-Phillip
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Sunny

Re: "Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”
« Reply #149 on: August 19, 2018, 11:08:03 PM »
Nice opinion piece Brietta, because that is all it is IMO.
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