"Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”

[Erngath]

Small children have also been known to show an interest in their own excrement.

I found that any suggestion of bowel habits usually sent an entire class into peels of laughter.

[G-Unit]

I found that any suggestion of bowel habits usually sent an entire class into peels of laughter.

I was referring to much younger children eating it, not older children emitting peals of laughter at the mention of it. Fart cushions were much loved by my grandsons.

[Erngath]

I was referring to much younger children eating it, not older children emitting peals of laughter at the mention of it. Fart cushions were much loved by my grandsons.

I have never heard of that.
Will Google!
My children preferred my  cooking

And without being sexist it was usually the boys in the class who laughed most and for the longest at any suggestion of farts or and /poo.

[Robittybob1]

we are primates basically.

[G-Unit]

we are primates basically.

I think there's a tendency to forget we're animals too. I'm a great believer in letting children get dirty as I think it builds a strong immune system for example.

[Robittybob1]

I think there's a tendency to forget we're animals too. I'm a great believer in letting children get dirty as I think it builds a strong immune system for example.

That is what they say.  Last report was about the need for dirt in the first year of life.  Primes the immune system.  I could imagine a lot of mothers not trusting the science though.

[Sunny]

I see this thread is nicely off topic again.

Perhaps a supporter could explain why they can find nothing that the McCanns have done that they disagree with (apart from leaving the children alone).

So far in my reading, everything that the McCanns have done including not having the twins checked out straight away, deleting calls selectively, and criticising the police from the very morning after Madeleine's disappearance is to be explained away.

So is there nothing that they have done post Madeleine's disappearance that any supporter would disagree with?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I see this thread is nicely off topic again.

Perhaps a supporter could explain why they can find nothing that the McCanns have done that they disagree with (apart from leaving the children alone).

So far in my reading, everything that the McCanns have done including not having the twins checked out straight away, deleting calls selectively, and criticising the police from the very morning after Madeleine's disappearance is to be explained away.

So is there nothing that they have done post Madeleine's disappearance that any supporter would disagree with?

No, because until you have walked in their shoes and experienced what they have experienced how can you really judge them to have behaved improperly or inappropriately?  Even if they had both gone off the rails and turned to drink, drugs, infidelities, even if they’d decided to give up on Madeleine after a year or two and gone quiet never to be heard of again, IMO that would all be quite understandable and me slagging them off on the internet doesn’t help anybody IMO. .   I think they receive more than enough criticism from sceptics without supporters joining in too! 

[Sunny]

No, because until you have walked in their shoes and experienced what they have experienced how can you really judge them to have behaved improperly or inappropriately?  Even if they had both gone off the rails and turned to drink, drugs, infidelities, even if they’d decided to give up on Madeleine after a year or two and gone quiet never to be heard of again, IMO that would all be quite understandable and me slagging them off on the internet doesn’t help anybody IMO. .   I think they receive more than enough criticism from sceptics without supporters joining in too!

Of course you may be correct but why do supporters always appear to barge in and try to make excuses for everything they do regardless, IMO.

That goes far further than criticising them, that is giving the impression that to supporters everything the McCanns do is right not simply that supporters don't want to criticise them, IMO.

[G-Unit]

No, because until you have walked in their shoes and experienced what they have experienced how can you really judge them to have behaved improperly or inappropriately?  Even if they had both gone off the rails and turned to drink, drugs, infidelities, even if they’d decided to give up on Madeleine after a year or two and gone quiet never to be heard of again, IMO that would all be quite understandable and me slagging them off on the internet doesn’t help anybody IMO. .   I think they receive more than enough criticism from sceptics without supporters joining in too!

I think that's very noble, but if you apply that to everyone you can't criticise anyone. What about Amaral's shoes? Those who refuse to judge or criticise the McCanns seem to have no problem with criticising him.

[Mr Gray]

Of course you may be correct but why do supporters always appear to barge in and try to make excuses for everything they do regardless, IMO.

That goes far further than criticising them, that is giving the impression that to supporters everything the McCanns do is right not simply that supporters don't want to criticise them, IMO.

that simply is your...incorrect imo...perception of things...when supporters post a different point of view ...you see it as...supporters always appear to barge in and try to make excuses for everything they do regardless....that really is rubbish imo...supporters simply have a better understanding of the evidence..imo...its  asimple as that

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think that's very noble, but if you apply that to everyone you can't criticise anyone. What about Amaral's shoes? Those who refuse to judge or criticise the McCanns seem to have no problem with criticising him.

I think it’s perfectly acceptable to criticise a public servant who has behaved improperly while in office, and who has used his privileged position to publicly cast aspersions on others, defaming them on a regular basis and IMO damaging their reputation and their search for their daughter.  In any case, I don’t support Amaral, so that makes criticising him that much easier.   

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course you may be correct but why do supporters always appear to barge in and try to make excuses for everything they do regardless, IMO.

That goes far further than criticising them, that is giving the impression that to supporters everything the McCanns do is right not simply that supporters don't want to criticise them, IMO.

I’ll tell you why - it’s because on a forum like this it is not possible to have a nuanced debate.  Neither side is prepared ever to accept that the other has a point, to give and take, to accept that things which cannot be readily explained don’t automatically imply guilt.  The debate has become too polarised for that.  All IMO.

[slartibartfast]

I’ll tell you why - it’s because on a forum like this it is not possible to have a nuanced debate.  Neither side is prepared ever to accept that the other has a point, to give and take, to accept that things which cannot be readily explained don’t automatically imply guilt.  The debate has become too polarised for that.  All IMO.

I disagree. I for one am quite happy to be enlightened by new facts from any quarter. The problem is that when things which can’t be readily explained are brought up someone will immediately explain them.

[G-Unit]

I think it’s perfectly acceptable to criticise a public servant who has behaved improperly while in office, and who has used his privileged position to publicly cast aspersions on others, defaming them on a regular basis and IMO damaging their reputation and their search for their daughter.  In any case, I don’t support Amaral, so that makes criticising him that much easier.   

You said;

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"until you have walked in their shoes and experienced what they have experienced how can you really judge"

How can you say that when you have clearly judged both parties imo before bestowing your empathy on one and withholding it from the other?