"Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”

[Mr Gray]

As a sceptic I can accept other opinions, possibilities and facts. As I don’t have a rigid theory on what happened whatever the final outcome is, it won’t disturb me greatly. This isn’t a religion so don’t expect me to swayed by other’s beliefs.

The fact that I have assessed the evidence and feel that abduction is the odds on favourite does not mean I will be at all disappointed if I'm proven wrong.. Whoever is guilty of a crime deserves to be punished... I'm more concerned  with justice than simply being right

[Mr Gray]

If it is couched in the proper terms it isn’t a problem, it is a problem when it is stated as fact aka invented.

...no...then it's opinion stated as fact... Not invented.. Imo

[G-Unit]

I don’t think I’ve expressed myself as clearly as I could.  Do you ever concede that the other side may have a point, or do you feel that by doing so you would you lose too much face, or jeopardise your whole position?   Would you ever admit to being wrong, or do you believe are you always right?   Rhetorical questions, not specifically addressed to you.  I believe none of us could easily concede that the other side has made a valid point and that many of us struggle to admit when the are wrong about something.

I made a factual mistake recently on the CSI thread and apologised. I've never been afraid of acknowledging my mistakes because 'face' isn't something I care about. It's not so easy to resolve when opinions or interpretations are being discussed, because they're not facts. That;s why I prefer to avoid them if I can.

[Mr Gray]

I made a factual mistake recently on the CSI thread and apologised. I've never been afraid of acknowledging my mistakes because 'face' isn't something I care about. It's not so easy to resolve when opinions or interpretations are being discussed, because they're not facts. That;s why I prefer to avoid them if I can.

How can you possibly avoid opinions... Think Grime

If we avoid opinions there would be nothing to talk about

[slartibartfast]

How can you possibly avoid opinions... Think Grime

If we avoid opinions there would be nothing to talk about

Ok...

Fact - there are discrepancies in the statements.

How would you counter that with facts?

[Mr Gray]

Ok...

Fact - there are discrepancies in the statements.

How would you counter that with facts?

The fact that there are discrepancies in the statements is neither here nor there.... It's why there are discrepancies  that's important.... Surely that is a fact

[slartibartfast]

The fact that there are discrepancies in the statements is neither here nor there.... It's why there are discrepancies  that's important.... Surely that is a fact

Unless you have evidence as to why there are discrepancies it is purely opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Ok...

Fact - there are discrepancies in the statements.

How would you counter that with facts?

The discrepancies  may have an innocent explanation... That's a fact

[slartibartfast]

The discrepancies  may have an innocent explanation... That's a fact

But there is no evidence of one.

[Mr Gray]

But there is no evidence of one.

Who says so... That's your opinion.. SYmay well have such evidence... Another fact

[Mr Gray]

But there is no evidence of one.

I gave you a factual counter... It is factual that the discrepancies may have an innocent explanation

[G-Unit]

I feel agreived because you were allowed to make your point and I wasnt

No it doesn't have to include  mindreading... If someone has suffered a, tragedy it's not mind reading or invention to think that they might act in a certain way.. It's common sense based on reason... No invention

Common sense is used to describe universally agreed facts. 'If you put your hand in the fire you'll burn it' type of statement. Can it really be used in this context? 'If you experience this tragedy you'll react like this'. I don't agree. I think there are many possible reactions.

[Mr Gray]

Common sense is used to describe universally agreed facts. 'If you put your hand in the fire you'll burn it' type of statement. Can it really be used in this context? 'If you experience this tragedy you'll react like this'. I don't agree. I think there are many possible reactions.

Everyone  might react differently... The McCanns went jogging... Some say that's ridiculous... I say it's, a, stress coping strategy... Would you say that's an invention on my part ...because  it isn't

[slartibartfast]

Who says so... That's your opinion.. SYmay well have such evidence... Another fact

Ok, to be totally accurate, we have no evidence of any.

[Mr Gray]

Ok, to be totally accurate, we have no evidence of any.

What investigations have WE done to look for evidence