Wandering Off Topic

[Robittybob1]

If the receptionist [Helder Luis] phoned his manager [Vitor Santos] he didn't use the reception landline. Santos' number wasn't dialed after the police were called.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR-SANTOS.htm

Even when you read http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR-SANTOS.htm Vitor Santos could be confused as to the status of the possibility of two alerts to two missing kids.  He seems to accept that there was just the one but he too was off site when John Hill spoke to the child's father so we can't just assume that because Gerry is talking to the GNR that he is the same father mentioned talking to John Hill earlier.  Can we find any indication that Gerry McCann spoke to John Hill prior the first two GNR officers turning up at 11:00 PM?

[pegasus]

(snip) ... Can we find any indication that Gerry McCann spoke to John Hill prior the first two GNR officers turning up ...(snip)?

Did you consider reading JH statement?

[John]

What time did Gerry call the police?

He never phoned the police, Matt was asked to run to main reception to report it.  Separately, the receptionist stated that he phoned the police initially after having been alerted by kitchen staff at the Tapas Restaurant.

Note to members

Please do not post theories within general discussion
threads. If you wish to explore a theory based on evidence
please start a new thread. TY

[John]

Even when you read http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR-SANTOS.htm Vitor Santos could be confused as to the status of the possibility of two alerts to two missing kids.  He seems to accept that there was just the one but he too was off site when John Hill spoke to the child's father so we can't just assume that because Gerry is talking to the GNR that he is the same father mentioned talking to John Hill earlier.  Can we find any indication that Gerry McCann spoke to John Hill prior the first two GNR officers turning up at 11:00 PM?

Weren't they both in main reception when the GNR arrived?

If still confused about the reporting of the disappearance then this might help!

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1101.msg34381#msg34381

[Robittybob1]

Weren't they both in main reception when the GNR arrived?

If still confused about the reporting of the disappearance then this might help!

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1101.msg34381#msg34381

C Edwards has done the research really well and yet he still said it was confusing. John Hill just kept losing his cool and never explained the situation properly to his staff. 

[ShiningInLuz]

C Edwards has done the research really well and yet he still said it was confusing.  The only solution to that state of confusion is that there were two call outs and the ensuing confusion that followed, for John Hill just kept losing his cool and never explained the situation properly to his staff. 

I've never seen any suggestion staff were alerted twice in the PJ Files.  I've never seen anything in the media about two alerts, and that would be a hot story.  And I've never seen or heard of a missing child, which would require clarification to prevent it polluting information relating to Madeleine.

[Brietta]

C Edwards has done the research really well and yet he still said it was confusing.  The only solution to that state of confusion is that there were two call outs and the ensuing confusion that followed, for John Hill just kept losing his cool and never explained the situation properly to his staff. 

C.Edward's research is indeed very impressive.  It is interesting, informative and fact based. That particular style of posting, in which every word spoken and every action taken by the witnesses involved is substantiated by in depth, painstaking research is in my opinion, one of the strengths of the forum.  It is devoid of unsupported speculation and is a style of posting which it would be well worth emulating in an effort to achieve the same admirable standard. 

[Robittybob1]

C.Edward's research is indeed very impressive.  It is interesting, informative and fact based. That particular style of posting, in which every word spoken and every action taken by the witnesses involved is substantiated by in depth, painstaking research is in my opinion, one of the strengths of the forum.  It is devoid of unsupported speculation and is a style of posting which it would be well worth emulating in an effort to achieve the same admirable standard.

To me that work done was never tested with maths there is only one mathematical solution to that situation as I have described.  I am sure the mathematical solution of the situation takes it out of the realm of speculation into reality.

[Robittybob1]

I've never seen any suggestion staff were alerted twice in the PJ Files.  I've never seen anything in the media about two alerts, and that would be a hot story.  And I've never seen or heard of a missing child, which would require clarification to prevent it polluting information relating to Madeleine.

Is John Hill still the Manager of OC?  If he is go and ask him?  But present him with the evidence discovered by that T Edwards study. 

[John]

Posters are AGAIN REMINDED not to post suspicions without evidence to back them up.  The only child reported missing in Luz on 3rd May 2007 was Madeleine McCann.  The alarm was raised around 10pm, anything which suggests the alarm was raised much earlier is inaccurate and misleading and will be removed on sight. TY

[pathfinder73]

What do you mean by inaccurate before 10pm? Matt Oldfield said Kate left the table at 9:50 to check not 10? The waiter who served Russell his steak just before Kate left the table also said an earlier time. FP said between 9:45 to 10. Others didn't know the time because they didn't check a watch. 10pm seemed to be the convenient rounded up time to match the 30 minute checks. Foolish to presume that time is right without properly investigating it.

[Robittybob1]

What do you mean by inaccurate before 10pm? Matt Oldfield said Kate left the table at 9:50 to check not 10? The waiter who served Russell his steak just before Kate left the table also said an earlier time. FP said between 9:45 to 10. Others didn't know the time because they didn't check a watch. 10pm seemed to be the convenient rounded up time to match the 30 minute checks. Foolish to presume that time is right without properly investigating it.

Those phone calls on the register are timed, so if we can determine who made which call we will have a way of confirming time.

[Robittybob1]

I can't find the reference to the 2nd call on 23/5 in the book or in Kate's diaries.

Going totally in another direction - what do you know about the nursery school located opposite block 4? I can't believe I've never known about it until today.

Did you ever find out about this Misty?

[Robittybob1]

8:30pm can't be accurate, because three of the T7 didn't arrive at tapas until about 9pm.
Maybe SC has all his times out by about 30 minutes?
So add 30 mins to his remembered times and maybe the C family left Tapas at about 9:50pm just before KM check?

supposition.

[Robittybob1]

Yes SC and his family left Tapas about 30 minutes later than he remembered IMO.
Just like PS and his family left Dolphin about 30 minutes later than he remembered.
People relaxing having a nice family meal in a restaurant do not watch the clock or rush.

Did they have a babysitter deadline to meet?