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stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2015, 08:41:03 AM »
You show how serious amaral's lies were and how they have convinced you. This is what Harrison said about the dogs and he's an expert..

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.


Amaral lied about the dogs and you prove his lies have been believed


As I have said on numerous occasions, you take this very personally.

Now why is that

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2015, 08:42:05 AM »
No one is dissing the dogs...I'm dissing amaral and you...you and amaral are ignoring what the experts say about the alerts

Now when exactly did Grime say the dogs did not alert to a body ?

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2015, 10:23:22 AM »
He didn't misinterpret the evidence either. He wasn't a one man team investigating the disappearance. That is a myth spread by the supporters in order to diss the evidence and the dogs, the worst enemies of the McCanns.

What would any police force think if these specialist dogs alerted 11 times to only articles, houses and a car related to the parents and did not give any alerts to any other "suspects" such as Robert Murat?

Davel, you seem obsessed with those dogs. They bother you, don't they?

How silly is that?

The dogs are no-ones enemy.  The dogs were merely doing what they were trained to do and that was to indicate where evidence might be found.

That Mr Amaral needed something to  verify his theory led to his over eagerness to misinterpret that may just be understandable.

What is the excuse of those who perpetuate the myth in the face of reason and expert professional opinion from all disciplines; Mr Amaral may have had a slight one ... what's yours?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2015, 01:04:50 PM »
a comment on amarals gofundme page...

The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club [alínea AR) of the undisputed facts]. 7. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in a vehicle rented by the claimants after the disappearance of MMC [alínea AS) of the undisputed facts]." So the Portuguese police were right,....

Can anyone deny lies are being spread...

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2015, 01:19:33 PM »
a comment on amarals gofundme page...

The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club [alínea AR) of the undisputed facts]. 7. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in a vehicle rented by the claimants after the disappearance of MMC [alínea AS) of the undisputed facts]." So the Portuguese police were right,....

Can anyone deny lies are being spread...

Please tell me what Keela detected?
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Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2015, 01:24:11 PM »
a comment on amarals gofundme page...

The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club [alínea AR) of the undisputed facts]. 7. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in a vehicle rented by the claimants after the disappearance of MMC [alínea AS) of the undisputed facts]." So the Portuguese police were right,....

Can anyone deny lies are being spread...

I think that the polite formulation might be the "misinterpretation" of the "misinterpretation" of an interpretation of reactions for undetermined reasons, with cautions as to their possible interpretation.



ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2015, 01:25:54 PM »
Perhaps these are the people the administrators of Amaral's fund will take most note of in choosing their grounds of appeal?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2015, 01:47:48 PM »
Please tell me what Keela detected?
blood and cadaver according to the comment Davel has copied above.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2015, 02:33:00 PM »
blood and cadaver according to the comment Davel has copied above.

I was asking davel though.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2015, 02:34:29 PM »
I was asking davel though.
I know you were.  Davel's point was that the comment was inaccurate.  I have I believe highlighted one of the inaccuracies.  Would you agree?

Offline Montclair

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2015, 04:27:05 PM »
Perhaps these are the people the administrators of Amaral's fund will take most note of in choosing their grounds of appeal?

The administrators of the fund for Gonçalo Amaral are not appealing the ruling, Gonçalo Amaral along with his lawyers will be doing that.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2015, 04:29:34 PM by Montclair »

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2015, 05:08:27 PM »

What might Eddie have alerted to; there is quite a choice.

Putrefaction of animal tissue produces cadaverine ~ it is present in urine and semen.

Cadaverine is related to putrescine both of which are produced by the breakdown of amino acids in living and dead organisms.
Cadaverine and putrescine are toxic in large doses.

Both cadaverine and putrecine are found in some microalgae found in fresh water and sea water.

It would appear that despite the coast of Portugal being on the Atlantic, Praia da Luz is not immune to the invasion of algae which is unsurprising when one considers the preponderance of green lichen on window cills.

For certain Eddie's nose would twitch if someone had discarding wet clothing, flip flops,towels which had been in contact with micralgae which had leached into grouting in the corner of a room.


Sea bathing banned at Praia da Luz
 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:08 pm
I popped over to PdL this afternoon and found that there was a notice by the beach banning swimming in the sea with a reference to a Water Quality directive. 

I was wondering if anybody knew any details.


Re: Sea bathing banned at Praia da Luz
 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:34 am
Has it got something to do with this algae thats been found in the sea which is supposedly a danger to people, I read about it somewhere, maybe paper or forums.
Just found the link to it
 algarvedailynews.com/n...rous-algae

http://www.expatfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=31721/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2015, 05:21:26 PM »
The administrators of the fund for Gonçalo Amaral are not appealing the ruling, Gonçalo Amaral along with his lawyers will be doing that.

Lawyers?

He has more than one.

Is one the lawyer who represented him in proceedings just completed?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2015, 05:40:13 PM »
What might Eddie have alerted to; there is quite a choice.

Putrefaction of animal tissue produces cadaverine ~ it is present in urine and semen.

Cadaverine is related to putrescine both of which are produced by the breakdown of amino acids in living and dead organisms.
Cadaverine and putrescine are toxic in large doses.

Both cadaverine and putrecine are found in some microalgae found in fresh water and sea water.

It would appear that despite the coast of Portugal being on the Atlantic, Praia da Luz is not immune to the invasion of algae which is unsurprising when one considers the preponderance of green lichen on window cills.

For certain Eddie's nose would twitch if someone had discarding wet clothing, flip flops,towels which had been in contact with micralgae which had leached into grouting in the corner of a room.


Sea bathing banned at Praia da Luz
 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:08 pm
I popped over to PdL this afternoon and found that there was a notice by the beach banning swimming in the sea with a reference to a Water Quality directive.

I was wondering if anybody knew any details.


Re: Sea bathing banned at Praia da Luz
 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:34 am
Has it got something to do with this algae thats been found in the sea which is supposedly a danger to people, I read about it somewhere, maybe paper or forums.
Just found the link to it
algarvedailynews.com/n...rous-algae

http://www.expatfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=31721/

Do you have evidence that such algal blooms occurred in early May 2007? Or is it mere speculation on your part?
I love the quote "I read about it somewhere maybe the paper or forums". That is a stunner.
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Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2015, 05:48:25 PM »
Interesting piece from an expert:-


Sept. 18 2007 6:11 PM

Can you trust a cadaver dog if there's no cadaver?


The parents of Madeleine McCann, the 4-year-old British girl who went missing in Portugal in May, were officially named suspects http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20637334/#.VVFW1pVFDIU
on Sept. 7 by Portuguese police. The change came after developments in the case, including sniffer dogs detecting the "smell of death" on Madeleine's Cuddle Cat toy and her mother's clothes. They did not, however, find a body.

 Can you trust a cadaver dog if there's no cadaver?

Torie Bosch is the editor of Future Tense, a project of Slate, the New America Foundation, and Arizona State that looks at the implications of new technologies. ……………………………….......................................................................
 

Not really—especially if a lot of time has elapsed since the body was removed from the scene. Cadaver dogs can find the remains of people who have been dead for years or even decades. But it's much harder for the dogs if the bulk of the remains are gone. In that case, they can pick up the scent from small amounts of body tissue, like a blood stain or nail clippings, or even from materials that came into contact with the tissue. But in the absence of an actual body, the smell of death will dissipate. There's speculation that Madeleine died on the night her parents reported her disappearance—which would mean that she passed away four months ago. It's not clear if a detectable scent could linger on her mother's clothes for all that time.

Researchers are trying to determine how long the scent lingers when the body is no longer present, but there are no conclusive results yet—it may be two weeks, or it may be longer. One former Scotland Yard dog handler talking about the McCann case hypothesized that the scent wouldn't last more than a month.

The dogs couldn't necessarily prove anything even if Madeleine's body had been in recent contact with her mother's clothes. Since they didn't turn up any actual remains, investigators had to rely on the "smell of death" itself, an odor that stems from the decomposition process. Without a body, they can't be certain that the animals didn't make a mistake. Cadaver dogs do mess up from time to time: The McCanns have sought out attorneys who convinced a judge in Wisconsin that certain dogs were accurate just 22 percent to 38 percent of the time. (The prosecution claimed a success rate of 60 percent to 69 percent.)

Cadaver dogs learn to spot the "smell of death" and find its source during the training process, which involves exposing them to either actual human remains—blood, teeth, bones—or pseudoscent, an artificial substance that re-creates the death odor. (One chemical company markets several pseudoscent formulas for training cadaver dogs—recently dead, post-decomposition, and drowning victim.) The dogs also learn to differentiate human remains from animal remains.

A dog's utility depends on the skill of its handler. Identifying false signals is an important part of working with a cadaver dog, and results should be backed up with forensic testing. When a dog gives a signal, such as barking or sitting down, to indicate that it has smelled a corpse, a handler can only say something along the lines of, "My dog is giving an indication consistent with human blood." He can't say definitively that, yes, a body was present, without further confirmation—in the form of a blood stain, for example.
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Explainer thanks Maria Claxton of the South Carolina Search and Rescue Dog Association, Larry Myers of the Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine, and Andrew Rebmann of K9 Specialty Search Associates.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/09/scent_of_a_dead_woman.html

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