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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: ShiningInLuz on November 14, 2016, 12:23:25 PM
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On the 10th anniversary, should the McCanns plaster Luz with posters?
Just because they can?
And just so you get an inkling of my thoughts, I am seriously considering more posters on display in Luz for the 10th anniversary. Just not sourced by the McCanns. I'm thinking more originated in Luz here.
I need to disappear for a while now. There is a venue in Luz holding the wake for one of Luz's own. It has nothing to do with the Madeleine story.
But who knows if it becomes a part of the 10th anniversary. Bar Carib.
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On the 10th anniversary, should the McCanns plaster Luz with posters?
Just because they can?
And just so you get an inkling of my thoughts, I am seriously considering more posters on display in Luz for the 10th anniversary. Just not sourced by the McCanns. I'm thinking more originated in Luz here.
I need to disappear for a while now. There is a venue in Luz holding the wake for one of Luz's own. It has nothing to do with the Madeleine story.
But who knows if it becomes a part of the 10th anniversary. Bar Carib.
Why would Madeleine's parents feel the need to plaster Luz with posters of Madeleine?
I think the whole point of their drive for publicity was
- to keep Madeleine in the public eye since with the archiving of her case they were the only ones working to find out what had happened to her
- the hope that someone's memory might be jogged or someone's conscience might have been pricked to divulge information they may have been sitting on
- to keep up the pressure on the authorities in Britain and Portugal to re-open Madeleine's case
Bearing in mind that the latest exercise in objecting to and attempting to disrupt the search for Madeleine did not consist of defacing posters publicising the child ... it consisted of hateful attacks on the British police who were actively investigating her disappearance and obviously considered part of the 'McCann Circus'.
The resulting defilement of walls and road signs in Luz was a home grown Luz initiative in its entirety.
Madeleine's parents have been successful in
- seeing the success of their efforts in having Madeleine's case reopened by the British and Portuguese authorities ... resulting in the best effort since her disappearance into solving what happened to her
What has been less successful perhaps, has been
- any chance of information being forthcoming from those in Luz who simply cannot help because they know nothing since they do not number kidnappers and criminals among their acquaintances
- pricking the conscience of anyone who might ~ although until the investigation reaches a conclusion hopefully a successful one ~ we don't know that someone hasn't come forward
I don't know what Madeleine's parents will choose to do for Madeleine on the tenth anniversary of her disappearance which surely will be a poignant landmark for everyone who loves her.
Whatever it is ... they can rest easy in the knowledge that over the past ten years they have done everything humanly possible to find her ... in the face of opposition of the type of recent years from those who have done all in their power to thwart their efforts on her behalf.
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Why would Madeleine's parents feel the need to plaster Luz with posters of Madeleine?
I think the whole point of their drive for publicity was
- to keep Madeleine in the public eye since with the archiving of her case they were the only ones working to find out what had happened to her
- the hope that someone's memory might be jogged or someone's conscience might have been pricked to divulge information they may have been sitting on
- to keep up the pressure on the authorities in Britain and Portugal to re-open Madeleine's case
Bearing in mind that the latest exercise in objecting to and attempting to disrupt the search for Madeleine did not consist of defacing posters publicising the child ... it consisted of hateful attacks on the British police who were actively investigating her disappearance and obviously considered part of the 'McCann Circus'.
The resulting defilement of walls and road signs in Luz was a home grown Luz initiative in its entirety.
Madeleine's parents have been successful in
- seeing the success of their efforts in having Madeleine's case reopened by the British and Portuguese authorities ... resulting in the best effort since her disappearance into solving what happened to her
What has been less successful perhaps, has been
- any chance of information being forthcoming from those in Luz who simply cannot help because they know nothing since they do not number kidnappers and criminals among their acquaintances
- pricking the conscience of anyone who might ~ although until the investigation reaches a conclusion hopefully a successful one ~ we don't know that someone hasn't come forward
I don't know what Madeleine's parents will choose to do for Madeleine on the tenth anniversary of her disappearance which surely will be a poignant landmark for everyone who loves her.
Whatever it is ... they can rest easy in the knowledge that over the past ten years they have done everything humanly possible to find her ... in the face of opposition of the type of recent years from those who have done all in their power to thwart their efforts on her behalf.
10 out of 10 for the McCann parents, if you believe all you have posted.
But with the 10th anniversary approaching, what is the smart McCann-parent move?
Around the 2nd anniversary, it was billboards and posters. Which obviously did not work.
Something smarter is needed on the 10th, methinks.
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10 out of 10 for the McCann parents, if you believe all you have posted.
But with the 10th anniversary approaching, what is the smart McCann-parent move?
Around the 2nd anniversary, it was billboards and posters. Which obviously did not work.
Something smarter is needed on the 10th, methinks.
Perhaps you'd like to tell us all what you think the McCanns should be doing on the 10th anniversary of their child's disappearance? Clearly their actions to date in this department don't meet with your approval at all, so tell us what would? Perhaps we can then draft instructions to be forwarded to them at the earliest available opportunity so that they can start planning to put them into action?
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Perhaps you'd like to tell us all what you think the McCanns should be doing on the 10th anniversary of their child's disappearance? Clearly their actions to date in this department don't meet with your approval at all, so tell us what would? Perhaps we can then draft instructions to be forwarded to them at the earliest available opportunity so that they can start planning to put them into action?
If you have contact with the McCanns, then yes. If you don't, then no.
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If you have contact with the McCanns, then yes. If you don't, then no.
Sure, I have contacts - so tell us.
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On the 10th anniversary, should the McCanns plaster Luz with posters?
Just because they can?
And just so you get an inkling of my thoughts, I am seriously considering more posters on display in Luz for the 10th anniversary. Just not sourced by the McCanns. I'm thinking more originated in Luz here.
I need to disappear for a while now. There is a venue in Luz holding the wake for one of Luz's own. It has nothing to do with the Madeleine story.
But who knows if it becomes a part of the 10th anniversary. Bar Carib.
I thought you weren't in favour of putting up more posters in Luz?
I still think identifying Smithman is crucial to this enquiry yet only the Sun newspaper ever did anything about it.
14 October 2013
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THE Sun helped the hunt for Madeleine yesterday by distributing flyers and
posters in Praia da Luz with the e-fit of police’s latest suspect.
Leaflets in English and Portuguese were handed out by our team at the resort,
urging anyone with any information to contact Scotland Yard.
Local businesses were pleased to display our appeals. Shop assistant Elane
Harvey said: “Hopefully it will do some good. We’re happy to put these up.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1062739/two-name-suspect/
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I think there should be an updated photo of Madeleine.
Then another appeal put out and for anyone who thinks they know anything at all to be given the chance to anonymously reveal what they know.
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I think there should be an updated photo of Madeleine.
Then another appeal put out and for anyone who thinks they know anything at all to be given the chance to anonymously reveal what they know.
That would seem sensible.
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If the McCanns win their Supreme Court appeal they will have funds to spend to mark the anniversary. If not......
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If the McCanns win their Supreme Court appeal they will have funds to spend to mark the anniversary. If not......
They will be marking the anniversary in their hearts, probably in much the same way as they do every day of their lives which passes without her, or the knowledge of what happened to her or where she is.
They don't need funds to do that ... it is a way of life for them and the rest of her family ... particularly her grandparents.
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10 out of 10 for the McCann parents, if you believe all you have posted.
But with the 10th anniversary approaching, what is the smart McCann-parent move?
Around the 2nd anniversary, it was billboards and posters. Which obviously did not work.
Something smarter is needed on the 10th, methinks.
I don't know exactly what would be an appropriate public response to make to the ten years since Madeleine was discovered to be missing from her bed.
Nor do I think there is any 'smart' move for Madeleine's parents to make on the approach to ~ on the day of ~ and the days and perhaps years following ~ the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.
Madeleine's case was archived in July 2008 because of ...
"lack of evidence that any crime was committed by the persons placed under formal investigation." Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portuguese Attorney General
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1825242,00.html
Immediately prior to the shelving of what appears to have been an investigation concentrating on proving parental guilt and not on locating Madeleine ... and until her parents were able to convince the authorities to review her case ... no-one was looking for Madeleine McCann.
The situation has now changed and does not reflect a situation in which no-one in authority neither here nor in Portugal was taking the bother to keep her case going.
Indeed, had it not been for the revelation at the libel trial that incoming information to the shelved inquiry was being filed as 'not relevant' ... Ricardo Paiva's testimony in 2010 ... the true extent of the continuing negligence might never have reached the public domain.
The present ~ active ~ investigation appears to be concentrating efforts on Madeleine and strangers to her and her family.
We have absolutely no idea what their continuing lines of inquiry may or may not be. But you can be sure Madeleine's parents are in the loop.
Therefore, perhaps a low key flower type ceremony in Luz just to mark the occasion, organised by residents with invited guests representing the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard might be the way forward in showing the residents of Portugal that there is co-operation between the law enforcement agencies, verifying that the McCanns are very much in the clear.
Who knows ... something like that assurance could bring results in encouraging people to come forward who didn't before.
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If the McCanns win their Supreme Court appeal they will have funds to spend to mark the anniversary. If not......
What a supremely cynical post.
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On the 10th anniversary, should the McCanns plaster Luz with posters?
Just because they can?
And just so you get an inkling of my thoughts, I am seriously considering more posters on display in Luz for the 10th anniversary. Just not sourced by the McCanns. I'm thinking more originated in Luz here.
I need to disappear for a while now. There is a venue in Luz holding the wake for one of Luz's own. It has nothing to do with the Madeleine story.
But who knows if it becomes a part of the 10th anniversary. Bar Carib.
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The McCanns will do as they think fit and whatever that is the sceptics will criticise them
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What a supremely cynical post.
Just the unvarnished, unsentimental truth. If they lose the case the Fund will be swallowed up by the Portuguese Courts, allegedly. Any marking of the anniversary will have to be done on a small budget.
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I thought you weren't in favour of putting up more posters in Luz?
I still think identifying Smithman is crucial to this enquiry yet only the Sun newspaper ever did anything about it.
14 October 2013
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1829527.main_image.jpg?strip=all)
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1829526.main_image.jpg?strip=all)
THE Sun helped the hunt for Madeleine yesterday by distributing flyers and
posters in Praia da Luz with the e-fit of police’s latest suspect.
Leaflets in English and Portuguese were handed out by our team at the resort,
urging anyone with any information to contact Scotland Yard.
Local businesses were pleased to display our appeals. Shop assistant Elane
Harvey said: “Hopefully it will do some good. We’re happy to put these up.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1062739/two-name-suspect/
The Sun approach is typical of the tabloid press. Get in - get your story - get out.
And I suspect on the 10th anniversary, there will be quite a lot of that. Though not in the anniversaries beyond.
What is wrong with the Sun posters? Suspect! Suspeito! Not possibly InnocentDad but SUSPECT. And e-fits that aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Compounded by giving 2 numbers in England to call.
A classic example of how not to get InnocentDad to step forth.
Although it is not on the posters, and was not AFAIK repeated this time round in Portugal, OG repeated the 'heading to the beach' error.
So - option 1 - let the media do whatever they want for anni10, and keep fingers crossed they will stop the stream of cheap, lurid stories thereafter.
Option 2 - get Luz to manage anni10, or at least the part that happens within Luz.
And if you choose option 2, it would be handy to have a free phone number within Portugal. The one on the anni2 defaced billboard remains on the Find Madeleine website, so I need to check if that is actually working.
It would still be better to have contact with the McCanns to co-ordinate a Luz response, but one must work with what one has.
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Just the unvarnished, unsentimental truth. If they lose the case the Fund will be swallowed up by the Portuguese Courts, allegedly. Any marking of the anniversary will have to be done on a small budget.
How do you know? There may be any number of wealthy backers ready to step up to the mark if necessary.
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How do you know? There may be any number of wealthy backers ready to step up to the mark if necessary.
Maybe. I was just speaking of the Fund.
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Nah, nobody will want to throw good money after bad at this stage.
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Whatever happens it will undoubtedly take place in Luz from where Madeleine disappeared. Most probably a church service to mark the anniversary.
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Nah, nobody will want to throw good money after bad at this stage.
You know nothing.
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The McCanns will do as they think fit and whatever that is the sceptics will criticise them
I think that is a very accurate assessment of the situation which succinctly sums up what the reaction of some will be however the McCanns choose to remember their little girl.
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I have just checked out the free-phone number in Portugal for putting info into the Find Madeleine effort.
800 814 028. See the thread on defaced posters, redundancies and bad feelings, which makes it clear this was running no later than April 2009. It is still up on the Find Madeleine Portuguese page today.
I got an auto-response in both Portuguese and English, which makes it clear it is still running, so I assume the fund is still paying for it.
The 2 voices said press 1 for Portuguese or 2 for English, so I picked English.
There I got 3 options - leave a message - get information on how to make contact through the web site - and speak to an operator.
On the basis that contacting an operator would probably incur an extra charge for the fund, I stopped at this point.
Obviously, I have no way of knowing whether info left on this number gets through to Team McCann or whether it simply rots in limbo. But the small fact that this free phone system remains in operation to this day in Portugal is something I found interesting.
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I would suggest something really lovely as a gift to the people of Luz ... a small field of pink lavender or other sweet scented and pretty flowering pink plant.
... or maybe planted in large clumps on the rocky hillside to the east of Luz. Maybe SIL could suggest a suitable spot?
Of course I would also place reminders to *keep looking *, cos Madeleine is still almost certainly alive
.... IMO
I would happily supply a few plants as i feel sure others would.
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I would suggest something really lovely as a gift to the people of Luz ... a small field of pink lavender or other sweet scented and pretty flowering pink plant.
... or maybe planted in large clumps on the rocky hillside to the east of Luz. Maybe SIL could suggest a suitable spot?
Of course I would also place reminders to *keep looking *, cos Madeleine is still almost certainly alive
.... IMO
I would happily supply a few plants as i feel sure others would.
Perhaps planted on the hillside in such a way that they spelled out Madeleine or Maddy. I'm sure Luz residents would appreciate that.
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You know nothing.
And neither do you.
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And neither do you.
Sounds like a playground argument.
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And neither do you.
I think I probaly know a lot more about the McCanns' supporters and their propensity to financially support the McCanns in their hour of need than you do.
Anyone would think you were trying to attract my attention for another little ding-dong. 8**8:/:
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I think I probaly know a lot more about the McCanns' supporters and their propensity to financially support the McCanns in their hour of need than you do.
Implies a bit more interaction than just this forum.
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Implies a bit more interaction than just this forum.
Did you think that my only interaction with McCann supporters was on this forum?
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Did you think that my only interaction with McCann supporters was on this forum?
Yes, could you tell us what else can be done?
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Yes, could you tell us what else can be done?
I don't understand what you're asking sorry.
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I think I probaly know a lot more about the McCanns' supporters and their propensity to financially support the McCanns in their hour of need than you do.
Anyone would think you were trying to attract my attention for another little ding-dong. 8**8:/:
Why, does stating a fact make you angry?
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I don't understand what you're asking sorry.
What other interactions do you have?
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Why, does stating a fact make you angry?
What fact? What anger??
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What other interactions do you have?
I still don't really know what you're asking, or why for that matter. I interact with people beyond this forum, it's called "real life".
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I still don't really know what you're asking, or why for that matter. I interact with people beyond this forum, it's called "real life".
Is that all? OK nothing special for McCann supporters then.
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Is that all? OK nothing special for McCann supporters then.
I don't know what you're driving at. What are you attempting to find out? Who I interact with? What we discuss? Are you being a tad nosey?
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I don't know what you're driving at. What are you attempting to find out? Who I interact with? What we discuss? Are you being a tad nosey?
Well put it this way, as well as discussing the case here I have facebook group discussing the case. So I was wondering what others do?
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Well put it this way, as well as discussing the case here I have facebook group discussing the case. So I was wondering what others do?
What others do about what? This interrogation has arisen as a result of someone (probably Faithlilly) claiming that the McCanns' supporters would not be prepared to put their hands in their pockets to offer support if it was needed. She was having a little dig. I said, quite rightly that she has no idea what the McCann supporters would or wouldn't do, as she is not a supporter and therefore does not interact with other supporters. I do (and not just on this forum) and therefore am in a better position to know what supporters might or not be prepared to do in order to help the McCanns if the need arose. I can't make it any plainer than that.
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What fact? What anger??
Jassi posted that no wealthy backer would stump up money to help out the McCanns. You posted ' you know nothing', I posted 'neither do you' ( there's the fact ). You then seemed to suggestthat by my stating a fact I was trying to start a 'ding dong'. Now I never state facts to make people angry, merely to enlighten. Why in heaven's name would it cause a 'ding dong' to state the truth?
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What others do about what? This interrogation has arisen as a result of someone (probably Faithlilly) claiming that the McCanns' supporters would not be prepared to put their hands in their pockets to offer support if it was needed. She was having a little dig. I said, quite rightly that she has no idea what the McCann supporters would or wouldn't do, as she is not a supporter and therefore does not interact with other supporters. I do (and not just on this forum) and therefore am in a better position to know what supporters might or not be prepared to do in order to help the McCanns if the need arose. I can't make it any plainer than that.
The specific conversation was about wealthy backers not your run of the mill supporters.
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Jassi posted that no wealthy backer would stump up money to help out the McCanns. You posted ' you know nothing', I posted 'neither do you' ( there's the fact ). You then seemed to suggestthat by my stating a fact I was trying to start a 'ding dong'. Now I never state facts to make people angry, merely to enlighten. Why in heaven's name would it cause a 'ding dong' to state the truth?
So you're stating it's the truth that I know nothing about the intentions of fellow McCann supporters that I interact with is that what you're saying? And you know this is a fact because...?
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The specific conversation was about wealthy backers not your run of the mill supporters.
So? You're inside my head now are you? You know for a fact what I know? Impressive. 8((()*/
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So you're stating it's the truth that I know nothing about the intentions of fellow McCann supporters that I interact with is that what you're saying? And you know this is a fact because...?
You know nothing about the intention of wealthy backers, and that was the claim.
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So? You're inside my head now are you? You know for a fact what I know? Impressive. 8((()*/
I'd put money on it.
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I'd put money on it.
Stupid response.
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You know nothing about the intention of wealthy backers, and that was the claim.
How the f..k do you know what and who I know? Please do tell.
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How the f..k do you know what and who I know? Please do tell.
Tut, tut, tut Alfie, why the anger? Does it matter what we on this forum think? As long as you can get those 'cough' wealthy backers to dig the McCanns out of the financial mess they have plunged themselves into what's the problem?
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So you're stating it's the truth that I know nothing about the intentions of fellow McCann supporters that I interact with is that what you're saying? And you know this is a fact because...?
Jeez ! is it some kind of dreadfully arcane club ?
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Tut, tut, tut Alfie, why the anger? Does it matter what we on this forum think? As long as you can get those 'cough' wealthy backers to dig the McCanns out of the financial mess they have plunged themselves into what's the problem?
I consider your response above just another naked attempt at goading. You read "anger" into my posts where none exists and because it suits you to think of me frothing with impotent rage at your rapier sharp insight and wit. Dream on. @)(++(*
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Jeez ! is it some kind of dreadfully arcane club ?
Yes, we all have special outfits with pointy hats and robes, and a secret handshake. Get with it.
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Yes, we all have special outfits with pointy hats and robes, and a secret handshake. Get with it.
And go around nailing firey doors to Queen Eleanor's Crosses no doubt 8(0(*
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And go around nailing firey doors to Queen Eleanor's Crosses no doubt 8(0(*
Oh that and much worse. Effigy burning of a fat, sweaty ex-cop in a once yearly ceremony is a highlight.
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Oh that and much worse. Effigy burning of a fat, sweaty ex-cop in a once yearly ceremony is a highlight.
Why does that not sound impossible? &%+((£
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Perhaps planted on the hillside in such a way that they spelled out Madeleine or Maddy. I'm sure Luz residents would appreciate that.
What a facetious comment Gunit.
I suggest a lovely gift of benefit to all ... an attempt to bridge any previous perceived hurts ... but you think fit to throw sarky brickbats at it.
Couldn't you have come up with anything kinder?
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Why does that not sound impossible? &%+((£
Because you want to believe it?
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I would like to see the 'anniversary' dedicated to Finding Madeliene as apposed to paying homage to the 'family'
This would be by having posters of the young maddie, next to a poster with an age progression picture, next to another double poster with 'Smithman' and offier of 2 million pounds for evidence based information leading to the arrest and conviction of perpertrator/s. I say evidence based to stop the idiots claiming she is in Sibera as a lap dancer and/or claiming all sorts of nonsence. wasting peoples time.
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Tut, tut, tut Alfie, why the anger? Does it matter what we on this forum think? As long as you can get those 'cough' wealthy backers to dig the McCanns out of the financial mess they have plunged themselves into what's the problem?
You know it's not very often you see people gloating over the fact that parents of a missing child may have to pay out money to a cop who said their child was dead and they covered it up.
I think the McCann's have enough friends and family who would help them if needed.
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I would like to see the 'anniversary' dedicated to Finding Madeliene as apposed to paying homage to the 'family'
This would be by having posters of the young maddie, next to a poster with an age progression picture, next to another double poster with 'Smithman' and offier of 2 million pounds for evidence based information leading to the arrest and conviction of perpertrator/s. I say evidence based to stop the idiots claiming she is in Sibera as a lap dancer and/or claiming all sorts of nonsence. wasting peoples time.
You wouldn't have to pay homage to the family, just don't read about them in the newspaper or on line.
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I would like to see the 'anniversary' dedicated to Finding Madeliene
This would be by having posters of the young maddie, next to a poster with an age progression picture, next to another double poster with 'Smithman' and offier of 2 million pounds for evidence based information leading to the arrest and conviction of perpertrator/s. I say evidence based to stop the idiots claiming she is in Sibera as a lap dancer and/or claiming all sorts of nonsence. wasting peoples time.
8@??)( I would like that too
But the meanies of Praia de Luz would just destroy the posters ... and spend the next 10 years grumbling about them and The Mccanns
Please note that I do not think that the majority of residents are meanies ... but a substantial vocal minority are.
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You wouldn't have to pay homage to the family, just don't read about them in the newspaper or on line.
Are you seriousy telling me to stop reading news blogs and discussing issues on forums? McCanns would love that. reading about them and not falling over myself to 'love' them is what I would term as paying homage. Wires crossed eh...
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Are you seriousy telling me to stop reading news blogs and discussing issues on forums? McCanns would love that. reading about them and not falling over myself to 'love' them is what I would term as paying homage. Wires crossed eh...
Madeleine is the McCann's daughter of course there should be a service of some kind for them to mark the 10 anniversary.
If there wasn't there would be the nasty outpouring from people saying they didn't care.
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I consider your response above just another naked attempt at goading. You read "anger" into my posts where none exists and because it suits you to think of me frothing with impotent rage at your rapier sharp insight and wit. Dream on. @)(++(*
Excellent but yet again you have made a claim that you have failed to back up and responded abruptly when called on it. Perhaps you would look less foolish if you simply did not make these unprovable claims in the first place?
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Excellent but yet again you have made a claim that you have failed to back up and responded abruptly when called on it. Perhaps you would look less foolish if you simply did not make these unprovable claims in the first place?
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Excellent but yet again you have made a claim that you have failed to back up and responded abruptly when called on it. Perhaps you would look less foolish if you simply did not make these unprovable claims in the first place?
What claim have I failed to back up? That there are supporters who would be prepared to help the McCanns in times of financial crisis, including "wealthy backers"? well what do you want, names and addresses? Jeezus! (Laughing btw, not remotely ANGRY!!!!!) @)(++(*
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Oh that and much worse. Effigy burning of a fat, sweaty ex-cop in a once yearly ceremony is a highlight.
He was burnt in Effigy, a little town near Oswaldtwistle which is named after Lee Harvey or Oswald Mosley I am not sure which.
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What a facetious comment Gunit.
I suggest a lovely gift of benefit to all ... an attempt to bridge any previous perceived hurts ... but you think fit to throw sarky brickbats at it.
Couldn't you have come up with anything kinder?
You really do hate the entire Mccann Family, don't you ?
I'm afraid I couldn't work out why the residents of Luz would be pleased if people in the UK donated lavender plants to them. We know they don't particularly care to be reminded of the events of 2007 so a permanent reminder is unlikely to be popular imo. A 'lovely gift' in your eyes may be a step too far for others.
I don't hate anyone, Sadie, but I've been less than impressed by the inability of some individuals to acknowledge that other opinions and feelings are as valid as theirs.
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What claim have I failed to back up? That there are supporters who would be prepared to help the McCanns in times of financial crisis, including "wealthy backers"? well what do you want, names and addresses? Jeezus! (Laughing btw, not remotely ANGRY!!!!!) @)(++(*
You claimed you knew wealthy backers who would help bail the McCanns out of the unholy mess they have made for themselves. Time to put up Alfie.
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Destitute duffers like Richard Branson, double-glazing magnet Brian Kennedy, author JK Rowling, people like that ....
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Destitute duffers like Richard Branson, double-glazing magnet Brian Kennedy, author JK Rowling, people like that ....
Wot, no magnates?
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The topic is ... Suggestions to mark the 10th anniversary of Madeleiene's disappearance.
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You claimed you knew wealthy backers who would help bail the McCanns out of the unholy mess they have made for themselves. Time to put up Alfie.
So, what would you like to know?