Did this finding get followed up by the PJ?

[Robittybob1]

Raj Balu certainly carried some weight.

in the white tee shirt.

[Robittybob1]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

He mentions drinking with Annie Wiltshire  and Jane Jensen, remember they were the ones who G5C apartment was in use on the afternoon of the 3rd.  Did Raj Balu go over there to meet these guys on the Wednesday?  Trouble is Raj only has monotone sunglasses.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jayne-and-ann-know-what-they-saw-531273

This is more to the point:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html  "British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'"

[Robittybob1]

When I think about it if Jane and Annie saw two men at G5C (a ground floor apartment and the Laundryman saw a person in the stairwell on the ground floor  and close to the exit from apartment 5B, 5C, 5D, and 5E.

Did the PJ work out when the occupants of 5C left and who they were?

[misty]

When I think about it if Jane and Annie saw two men at G5C (a ground floor apartment and the Laundryman saw a person in the stairwell on the ground floor  and close to the exit from apartment 5B, 5C, 5D, and 5E.

Did the PJ work out when the occupants of 5C left and who they were?

It should have been quite easy to check as OC staff were employed to clean 5C.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm  (Maria da Silva)

*snipped*
"Regarding her job, she points out that she is the person who is responsible for cleaning Block 5, more specifically apartments A, B, C, D, H, I, K, L, M and P, and also states that when the child disappeared only apartments A, B, D, G, H and K were occupied. She declares that she is the only employee who cleans these apartments, and has help when new customers arrive or leave."

[Robittybob1]

It should have been quite easy to check as OC staff were employed to clean 5C.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm  (Maria da Silva)

*snipped*
"Regarding her job, she points out that she is the person who is responsible for cleaning Block 5, more specifically apartments A, B, C, D, H, I, K, L, M and P, and also states that when the child disappeared only apartments A, B, D, G, H and K were occupied. She declares that she is the only employee who cleans these apartments, and has help when new customers arrive or leave."

Maybe they were the owner's family or friends.   I tend to think OC new that apartment 5C was going to be used that week as they didn't keep the Tapas group all together on the ground floor.

[Sunny]

Maybe they were the owner's family or friends.   I tend to think OC new that apartment 5C was going to be used that week as they didn't keep the Tapas group all together on the ground floor.

5c have been privately owned and never let out by the Ocean Club.

I see on the alamy photo of the plan that O is in the same list that Maria da Silva would clean but she doesn't mention that flat. She appeared to clean 1/2 of Block 5.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-map-of-the-ocean-club-resort-where-17521659.html

[misty]

Maybe they were the owner's family or friends.   I tend to think OC new that apartment 5C was going to be used that week as they didn't keep the Tapas group all together on the ground floor.

5C is a very small one-bedroom apartment so would not have been suitable for 3 of the 4 families. The Oldfields were allocated 5B which was also a 1 bed apartment. I remember seeing a picture of the inside of 5C somewhere online years ago.

[Robittybob1]

5C is a very small one-bedroom apartment so would not have been suitable for 3 of the 4 families. The Oldfields were allocated 5B which was also a 1 bed apartment. I remember seeing a picture of the inside of 5C somewhere online years ago.

I know they requested to be together, so it depends what is most important space or being together.
It would seem impossible to have a family of 4 in a one bedroom unit.
Yet Matt Oldfield had 3 in a one bedroom unit, so in some ways 4 is just one more.

[misty]

I know they requested to be together, so it depends what is most important space to being together.

Some of the apartments were managed by other agents so it was a case of what was available with the required number of bedrooms. e.g. 5E was managed by Barend van Weijdom.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm
*snipped*
On the following morning, 4th May he also participated in some searches and, as in his professional capacity he manages apartment 5E of the OC Garden (in the same block as the apartment from which Madeleine disappeared) he suggested that the authorities should visit that apartment, in case someone had tried to enter it while it was unoccupied.

[Robittybob1]

Some of the apartments were managed by other agents so it was a case of what was available with the required number of bedrooms. e.g. 5E was managed by Barend van Weijdom.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm
*snipped*
On the following morning, 4th May he also participated in some searches and, as in his professional capacity he manages apartment 5E of the OC Garden (in the same block as the apartment from which Madeleine disappeared) he suggested that the authorities should visit that apartment, in case someone had tried to enter it while it was unoccupied.

Once again you surprised me with your amazing memory Misty.  I recalled reading what you wrote, but not without your prompting.  You are truly amazing.

[misty]

Once again you surprised me with your amazing memory Misty.  I recalled reading what you wrote, but not without your prompting.  You are truly amazing.

If there was a blushing emoticon, I'd use it & thanks for the praise. I had a good "tutor".......

[Robittybob1]

If there was a blushing emoticon, I'd use it & thanks for the praise. I had a good "tutor".......

Do you watch "the Chase"?  Some people just have such an amazing recall.  Training would be part of it.  My brain isn't wired for that.

[misty]

Do you watch "the Chase"?  Some people just have such an amazing recall.  Training would be part of it.  My brain isn't wired for that.

As in the UK version with host Bradley Walsh? Yes, I watch it on occasions but I'm nowhere near as intelligent as any of the Chasers. I gravitate towards information which is useful rather than random stuff.

[Robittybob1]

5c have been privately owned and never let out by the Ocean Club.

I see on the alamy photo of the plan that O is in the same list that Maria da Silva would clean but she doesn't mention that flat. She appeared to clean 1/2 of Block 5.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-map-of-the-ocean-club-resort-where-17521659.html

Sunny - do I understand you properly?  You said "5c have been privately owned and never let out by the Ocean Club", what do you mean by that?  For that does seem to be at odds with what Maria da Silva says as she claims to clean 5C, supposedly after OC clients have used it.
All those apartments are potentially privately owned,  as exemplified by apartment 5A, which was privately owned by a Ruth McCann, unrelated to the McCanns who stayed there.  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2941709/apartment-in-praia-da-luz-madeleine-mccann-vanished-from-sold-to-british-gran-for-255000-half-the-asking-price/

[Robittybob1]

There was one attempt to work out who SC is talking about.
http://textusa1.rssing.com/chan-26005015/all_p5.html
"2. Name-remembrance, a Carpenter oddity

...snip ...

Carpenter: Yes.

DC Ferguson: In Mark Warner and he [Murat] demanded that he [John Hill] open up all the Mark Warner rooms so that he [Murat] could check them and he [John Hill] called the cleaning ladies etc. to help and open all the empty apartments that were not necessarily in the Mark Warner complex, but for which they could have the key. At this time you also met an English man called Dave who lived in the area and helped the Ocean Club give you [plural, so Murat and Carpenter] the authority to enter in all possible apartments, some of the apartments in Gerry's block belonged to local owners and Dave helped to get the key to these same apartments so that you could search them, and then and then began the search, searching all in general.”
...snip ...

I said I was impressed with the work TextUSA had done on the SC statement but I feel (at this stage at least) that he has the identity of the person demanding the apartments be opened incorrect. 
Above he inserted Murat as the person who did this.
"DC Ferguson: In Mark Warner and he [Murat] demanded that he [John Hill] open up all the Mark Warner rooms so that he [Murat] could check them and he [John Hill] called the cleaning ladies etc. to help and open all the empty apartments that were not necessarily in the Mark Warner complex, but for which they could have the key."

In my earlier reading of SC statement I thought he was saying Gerry McCann did this demanding.  So let's have a look at the original statement to see if we can get the context correct.

For if Gerry McCann demanded the MW Manager to open the apartments up we can no longer say Gerry was not involved in the searches.

From SC statement:
"We walked back along the path that I had taken to Gerry's apartment and I explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.


DCF: Yes

SC: After he left, he explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they went to talk to John Hill.


DCF: Yes..

SC: In Mark Warner and he asked that all the Mark Warner rooms be opened so that he could check them and asked the cleaning ladies etc. to help open all the empty apartments that were not necessarily in the Mark Warner complex, but for which they might have the keys. At this moment I also met an English man called Dave who lived in the area and helped the Ocean Club to authorise entry into all the apartments possible, some of the apartments in Gerry's block belonged to local owners and Dave helped to get the keys to these apartments so that they could check them and search them, they checked them all in a general manner.

DCF: Mmm mmm."

So now I'll put in square brackets who I think SC is talking about.

""We [Robert Murat and Steve Carpenter] walked back along the path that I [Steve Carpenter] had taken to Gerry's apartment and I [Steve Carpenter] explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he [Robert Murat] told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.


DCF: Yes

SC: After he  [Gerry McCann] left, he [Robert Murat] explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they [Gerry McCann, Robert Murat and Steve Carpenter] went to talk to John Hill.


DCF: Yes..

SC: In Mark Warner and he [Gerry McCann] asked that all the Mark Warner rooms be opened so that  [Gerry McCann and the GNR dogs] could check them and [John Hill] asked the cleaning ladies etc. to help open all the empty apartments that were not necessarily in the Mark Warner complex, but for which they might have the keys. At this moment I also met an English man called Dave who lived in the area and helped the Ocean Club to authorise entry into all the apartments possible, some of the apartments in Gerry's block belonged to local owners and Dave helped to get the keys to these apartments so that they could check them and search them, they [who was this?] checked them all in a general manner.

DCF: Mmm mmm."

I have the feeling since it was Gerry who was not happy with the way the search was being handled it would have been Gerry himself who made the demands on John Hill to open the rooms.  I cannot imagine Robert Murat in his capacity of translator demanding this be done.

It would be interesting to know what John Hill said about this incident.  I'd say it really did happen.  But who made it happen is slightly unclear from what SC says.

I'm not too sure who actually checked the opened apartments in a "general manner".  Was it  GNR dogs as well as humans?