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Online Davel

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #165 on: October 10, 2018, 02:02:32 PM »
Instrad of constantly pointing out how ignorant supporters are why donít you explain in plain simple English why we are wrong, without recourse to cryptic put-downs?

Because I'm basically right
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Offline Brietta

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #166 on: October 10, 2018, 02:30:09 PM »
The McCanns were vocal in their criticism of the Portuguese Police right from the start of their investigation and throughout it.   Yet they seem so "grateful" to Scotland Yard, even after many years, for achieving exactly what??

We have had no criticism whatsover from the McCann side of Scotland Yard.

Also why do the McCanns never say they are grateful to the current PJ investigation?

Were they now ... one can only wonder why?

It seems sensible to me that Madeleine's parents might want to see the progress of her case by getting as much information out there and if they organised a bit of so called "political interference" to achieve helping their daughter ... more power to their elbow, I say!

Just as their use of lawyers to the same end ... "political interference" ~ "waste of fund money on their legal bills" ... of progressing Madeleine's case to its utmost has attracted the same outrage.

It also puts a different light on the reasons behind why there was no reconstruction early days ... how well would it have gone down for the Jane/Gerry and Jez sequence when the principle player was seen walking at the top of the street carrying a pyjama clad little girl?

The mystery to me is that why a couple firm in the belief their daughter is still alive, are excoriated for their unceasing and tireless efforts to find her. 

To me that is one of the more enduring mysteries of Madeleine's disappearance and proof of the power of propaganda.



Madeleine: Brown urged police to give more details
Chancellor acts after parents voice their concern at the lack of disclosure by Portuguese detectives

Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz

Sun 27 May 2007

Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation.

After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, Gerry McCann in recent days, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public.

Gerry and his wife, Kate, have been desperate for a description of a man seen carrying what appears to have been a child on 3 May to be made public, but Portuguese police refused for three weeks because of the country's laws, which forbid the details of an investigation being released.

The Observer understands that Brown gave the McCanns an assurance he would do 'anything he can' to help. The British embassy duly applied pressure on the Portuguese authorities to find more flexibility in their secrecy laws. British ambassador John Buck visited the Algarve last Thursday. A day later Portuguese police made a U-turn and issued a detailed description of the man, said to be white, 35 to 40, 5ft 10in and of medium build, with hair longer around the neck, wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.

Asked whether Brown had influenced the decision, Clarence Mitchell, a Foreign Office spokesman for the McCann family in the Algarve, said: 'Draw your own conclusions.' He said in a statement: 'I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support in their efforts to find Madeleine, although details of the conversations will remain private.'

Although they have praised the efforts being made to find their daughter, the McCanns were said to be increasingly frustrated in recent days at delays and communication problems. The family have met lawyers in the Algarve and threatened legal action to push for the information to be released because of the exceptional circumstances.

The Observer can confirm that a top law firm in London had been asked late last week to seek legal avenues through which the McCanns could be kept up to date on the latest developments in the investigations.

It also emerged yesterday that The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall had been following the case 'closely and with deep concern'.

The McCanns yesterday emerged from their apartment to say that they had had an 'amicable and very constructive' meeting with police. 'We very much welcome the decision of the police authorities to release details of a man seen by witnesses here in Praia da Luz on Thursday, 3 May, the night of Madeleine's disappearance,' Gerry said in a statement.

'The release of this important information followed an earlier meeting we had with senior police officers. We feel sure that this sighting of a man with what appeared to be a child in his arms is both significant and relevant to Madeleine's abduction.'

It emerged that the couple plan to widen their search across Europe. The McCanns are expected to visit Seville and Madrid before moving on to Berlin and Amsterdam. A source said that the reasoning behind the visits is that, 'after Britons, Spanish, Germans and the Dutch are the most frequent visitors to the Algarve', and the most likely to have seen something suspicious.

The campaign fund is now well over £300,000, according to Mitchell. He stressed that the McCanns 'never asked for a single euro'.

In a new interview yesterday the McCanns spoke about their feelings since the night they left their three children asleep in a holiday complex apartment while they dined with friends in the complex's grounds, returning to find Madeleine had been abducted, and their refusal to give up hope of welcoming her back with 'a very big hug'. Asked if she forgets for even one second that her daughter is missing, Kate said: 'Madeleine is such a huge personality it is obvious when she is not there.'

Gerry, wearing yellow and green ribbons on his wrist to accompany those his wife has tied to her hair for more than three weeks, said: 'My waking thought is that the phone by the bedside has not rung. And that means Madeleine has not been found.'

Kate added: 'I am better in the morning, it seems like a fresh start. Evenings are harder. '

The McCanns are drawing strength from their twins, two-year-old Sean and Amelie. Kate said: 'The twins are so young they just get on with things, but obviously we don't want them to forget about Madeleine. We are hoping to see a child psychologist to explain what has happened to Madeleine to the twins.'

She added: 'They help us to get through this. We are a strong family and they were so close to Madeleine, only 20 months apart.'

Gerry said: 'We could have lost the twins too. There were three children in the room. That's the worst nightmare... This is so rare. It's a million to one. We really have to make sure it doesn't affect the twins growing up and their normal childhood. 'This is not a time for grieving. We believe she is still alive, so grief is not the appropriate emotion. We are absolutely determined to get her back. It's a bit like we are waging a war. It's a backs-to-the-wall thing.' His eyes welled up with tears when asked the first thing he would do if Madeleine returned home.

'I think we will be having a very big hug. Hope, strength and courage are our motto. There is nothing more I would like than to see Madeleine walk in, so we could use the fund to help find other missing children.'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/27/ukcrime.gordonbrown
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Sunny

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #167 on: October 10, 2018, 03:43:31 PM »
Were they now ... one can only wonder why?

It seems sensible to me that Madeleine's parents might want to see the progress of her case by getting as much information out there and if they organised a bit of so called "political interference" to achieve helping their daughter ... more power to their elbow, I say!

Just as their use of lawyers to the same end ... "political interference" ~ "waste of fund money on their legal bills" ... of progressing Madeleine's case to its utmost has attracted the same outrage.

It also puts a different light on the reasons behind why there was no reconstruction early days ... how well would it have gone down for the Jane/Gerry and Jez sequence when the principle player was seen walking at the top of the street carrying a pyjama clad little girl?

The mystery to me is that why a couple firm in the belief their daughter is still alive, are excoriated for their unceasing and tireless efforts to find her. 

To me that is one of the more enduring mysteries of Madeleine's disappearance and proof of the power of propaganda.



Madeleine: Brown urged police to give more details
Chancellor acts after parents voice their concern at the lack of disclosure by Portuguese detectives

Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz

Sun 27 May 2007

Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation.

After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, Gerry McCann in recent days, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public.

Gerry and his wife, Kate, have been desperate for a description of a man seen carrying what appears to have been a child on 3 May to be made public, but Portuguese police refused for three weeks because of the country's laws, which forbid the details of an investigation being released.

The Observer understands that Brown gave the McCanns an assurance he would do 'anything he can' to help. The British embassy duly applied pressure on the Portuguese authorities to find more flexibility in their secrecy laws. British ambassador John Buck visited the Algarve last Thursday. A day later Portuguese police made a U-turn and issued a detailed description of the man, said to be white, 35 to 40, 5ft 10in and of medium build, with hair longer around the neck, wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.

Asked whether Brown had influenced the decision, Clarence Mitchell, a Foreign Office spokesman for the McCann family in the Algarve, said: 'Draw your own conclusions.' He said in a statement: 'I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support in their efforts to find Madeleine, although details of the conversations will remain private.'

Although they have praised the efforts being made to find their daughter, the McCanns were said to be increasingly frustrated in recent days at delays and communication problems. The family have met lawyers in the Algarve and threatened legal action to push for the information to be released because of the exceptional circumstances.

The Observer can confirm that a top law firm in London had been asked late last week to seek legal avenues through which the McCanns could be kept up to date on the latest developments in the investigations.

It also emerged yesterday that The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall had been following the case 'closely and with deep concern'.

The McCanns yesterday emerged from their apartment to say that they had had an 'amicable and very constructive' meeting with police. 'We very much welcome the decision of the police authorities to release details of a man seen by witnesses here in Praia da Luz on Thursday, 3 May, the night of Madeleine's disappearance,' Gerry said in a statement.

'The release of this important information followed an earlier meeting we had with senior police officers. We feel sure that this sighting of a man with what appeared to be a child in his arms is both significant and relevant to Madeleine's abduction.'

It emerged that the couple plan to widen their search across Europe. The McCanns are expected to visit Seville and Madrid before moving on to Berlin and Amsterdam. A source said that the reasoning behind the visits is that, 'after Britons, Spanish, Germans and the Dutch are the most frequent visitors to the Algarve', and the most likely to have seen something suspicious.

The campaign fund is now well over £300,000, according to Mitchell. He stressed that the McCanns 'never asked for a single euro'.

In a new interview yesterday the McCanns spoke about their feelings since the night they left their three children asleep in a holiday complex apartment while they dined with friends in the complex's grounds, returning to find Madeleine had been abducted, and their refusal to give up hope of welcoming her back with 'a very big hug'. Asked if she forgets for even one second that her daughter is missing, Kate said: 'Madeleine is such a huge personality it is obvious when she is not there.'

Gerry, wearing yellow and green ribbons on his wrist to accompany those his wife has tied to her hair for more than three weeks, said: 'My waking thought is that the phone by the bedside has not rung. And that means Madeleine has not been found.'

Kate added: 'I am better in the morning, it seems like a fresh start. Evenings are harder. '

The McCanns are drawing strength from their twins, two-year-old Sean and Amelie. Kate said: 'The twins are so young they just get on with things, but obviously we don't want them to forget about Madeleine. We are hoping to see a child psychologist to explain what has happened to Madeleine to the twins.'

She added: 'They help us to get through this. We are a strong family and they were so close to Madeleine, only 20 months apart.'

Gerry said: 'We could have lost the twins too. There were three children in the room. That's the worst nightmare... This is so rare. It's a million to one. We really have to make sure it doesn't affect the twins growing up and their normal childhood. 'This is not a time for grieving. We believe she is still alive, so grief is not the appropriate emotion. We are absolutely determined to get her back. It's a bit like we are waging a war. It's a backs-to-the-wall thing.' His eyes welled up with tears when asked the first thing he would do if Madeleine returned home.

'I think we will be having a very big hug. Hope, strength and courage are our motto. There is nothing more I would like than to see Madeleine walk in, so we could use the fund to help find other missing children.'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/27/ukcrime.gordonbrown

A very nice post but it doesn't appear to be in answer to mine Brietta. Perhaps you could explain.
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Offline xtina

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #168 on: October 10, 2018, 04:03:14 PM »
A very nice post but it doesn't appear to be in answer to mine Brietta. Perhaps you could explain.

This is what stands out to me.......

Gerry said: 'We could have lost the twins too. There were three children in the room. That's the worst nightmare...



So finding maddie gone wasn't the worst nightmare.....

They left them all ...but thankfully only took one sounds like to me.......imo

something that should not have been said.....nothing could be worse than finding one gone....

no thanks to kate running out of the room window open door open yer right ....imo

sorry sunny ...it was intended for briettas postt....
« Last Edit: October 10, 2018, 04:13:18 PM by xtina »
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #169 on: October 10, 2018, 04:34:01 PM »
Instead of constantly pointing out how ignorant supporters are why don’t you explain in plain simple English why we are wrong, without recourse to cryptic put-downs?


That was the very reason I came in here after about three months as a visitor.
There are perfectly adequate reference libraries where the subject may be looked up. I presume every one is intelligent enough to know how to use them. You may not find the answer you want but it will be the correct one.
It saves giving you the opportunity to drag another thread off topic by the "only asking questions" M.O.
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Online Davel

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #170 on: October 10, 2018, 04:36:55 PM »


That was the very reason I came in here after about three months as a visitor.
There are perfectly adequate reference libraries where the subject may be looked up. I presume every one is intelligent enough to know how to use them. You may not find the answer you want but it will be the correct one.
It saves giving you the opportunity to drag another thread off topic by the "only asking questions" M.O.

for all your research youve added little if anything that wasnt already known IMO.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #171 on: October 10, 2018, 05:38:26 PM »


That was the very reason I came in here after about three months as a visitor.
There are perfectly adequate reference libraries where the subject may be looked up. I presume every one is intelligent enough to know how to use them. You may not find the answer you want but it will be the correct one.
It saves giving you the opportunity to drag another thread off topic by the "only asking questions" M.O.
@)(++(* you take this all far too seriously.  Who really is going to visit a reference library to answer questions when we can simply ask the Font of All Knowledge that is yourself (though your repeated reluctance to share your vast knowledge on all subjects does lead to its own suspicions...)  Happy to live and die in blissful ignorance however seeing as you refuse to enlighten us.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #172 on: October 10, 2018, 05:49:59 PM »
@)(++(* you take this all far too seriously. Who really is going to visit a reference library to answer questions when we can simply ask the Font of All Knowledge that is yourself (though your repeated reluctance to share your vast knowledge on all subjects does lead to its own suspicions...)  Happy to live and die in blissful ignorance however seeing as you refuse to enlighten us.

Oh boy that is good. I am not the one who spits out his dummy and stamps his little feet when his posts are deleted.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #173 on: October 10, 2018, 05:55:10 PM »
Oh boy that is good. I am not the one who spits out his dummy and stamps his little feet when his posts are deleted.
Suspect what you like me old China it makes no never mind.
Could you kindly dial down the aggression?  Youíll be telling me to shove things up orifices before long.
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Offline John

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #174 on: October 10, 2018, 06:48:18 PM »
Could we stay on topic please. TY.

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
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Online Davel

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #175 on: October 10, 2018, 06:51:45 PM »
Could we stay on topic please. TY.

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The absence of proof of death means she could still be alive... Unlikely  but possible
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Offline John

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #176 on: October 10, 2018, 07:07:25 PM »
The absence of proof of death means she could still be alive... Unlikely  but possible

For once I agree but the possibility of her still being alive must be very slim.
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Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #177 on: October 10, 2018, 07:31:47 PM »
For once I agree but the possibility of her still being alive must be very slim.
How do the percentages work?  On the the 2nd May 2007 - there was 100% certainty Madeleine was alive.
On the night of the 3rd once she went missing was it 50%  ie either alive or dead.
I suppose anyone who has her each moment has the opportunity of killing her or of some other reason she can die e.g. an accident or illness.
So the possibility of her death must continually rise.
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Offline Brietta

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #178 on: October 10, 2018, 09:04:21 PM »
How do the percentages work?  On the the 2nd May 2007 - there was 100% certainty Madeleine was alive.
On the night of the 3rd once she went missing was it 50%  ie either alive or dead.
I suppose anyone who has her each moment has the opportunity of killing her or of some other reason she can die e.g. an accident or illness.
So the possibility of her death must continually rise.
I think it is still a 50~50% consideration whether Madeleine is alive or not and in the absence of information to the contrary it is my opinion she has to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #179 on: October 10, 2018, 09:21:40 PM »
How do the percentages work?  On the the 2nd May 2007 - there was 100% certainty Madeleine was alive.
On the night of the 3rd once she went missing was it 50%  ie either alive or dead.
I suppose anyone who has her each moment has the opportunity of killing her or of some other reason she can die e.g. an accident or illness.
So the possibility of her death must continually rise.

I thnk it depends on which theory you follow /believe.

If you believe she was snatched from bed alive by paedophiles then , the chances of her still being alive after one week would be very  slim.

If she walked an wandered and was knocked down by a passing car/found to be dead  and was then lifted by the driver...

If she had an accident in the home  and died ...

I just cannot see a theory where she would still be alive,unless she was abducted from the street after wandering- she could be a slave of sorts.

 But then, her parents and supporters do not want this wandering looking for parents theory. So  95% chance she is not alive. IMO
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