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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #75 on: October 12, 2018, 07:34:21 AM »
The only 'evidence' that he thought that he had, turned out to be untrue

He thought that Eddie and Keela had proved that Madeleine had died in 5A.  After much reference to various reports and documents, we now know that to be false. 

Apart from one spot by the place where a bedside table would have normally sat, the dogs did not identify anything alarming in 5A. 
The owner of 5A, Tasmin Silences grandpa, had died whilst living in 5A.  His death was in hospital, but the likely place that his mourning widow would have kept his pyjamas and likely his ashes would have been on the bedside table.


You cannot claim the nothings that the dogs came up with were evidence of any kind for a cadavar.

Was there any real evidence, John? 

Cite please

Your post contains so much that is wrong.

There is no evidence that the evidence the PJ had was untrue.

We donít know that the dogs didnít alert to Madeleineís body in the flat.

A cadaver dog alerted in the flat where the blood dog didnít.

Please stop promoting myths.
It is a lack of contrition that makes a person who has done wrong fixate on being proven blameless.

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2018, 07:39:47 AM »
Your post contains so much that is wrong.

There is no evidence that the evidence the PJ had was untrue.

We donít know that the dogs didnít alert to Madeleineís body in the flat.

A cadaver dog alerted in the flat where the blood dog didnít.

Please stop promoting myths.

you say stop promoting myths when posters are claiming an alert to a cadaver is confirmrd...you must know taht neither an alert to cadaverine nor cadaver is confirmed....and posting claiming such should include imo
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Online Eleanor

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #77 on: October 12, 2018, 07:40:28 AM »
Does Martin Grime say body fluids "from live people" Eleanor?

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate

human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any


Could you explain what "body fluids" would he alert to, excluding blood of course.  The only one I can think of is semen that would come from a live person and the positioning of some of Eddie's alerts make that extremely unlikely.

Semen is one of them.

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2018, 07:48:59 AM »
Does Martin Grime say body fluids "from live people" Eleanor?

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate

human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any


Could you explain what "body fluids" would he alert to, excluding blood of course.  The only one I can think of is semen that would come from a live person and the positioning of some of Eddie's alerts make that extremely unlikely.

we would need to ask grime what body fluids eddie would alert to...anything else is just guesswork
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2018, 07:55:46 AM »
you say stop promoting myths when posters are claiming an alert to a cadaver is confirmrd...you must know taht neither an alert to cadaverine nor cadaver is confirmed....and posting claiming such should include imo

You need to understand the difference between something not being confirmed and something being proved incorrect.
It is a lack of contrition that makes a person who has done wrong fixate on being proven blameless.

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2018, 07:57:02 AM »
You need to understand the difference between something not being confirmed and something being proved incorrect.

I understand.... Cadaver odour was not confirmed.... Simple and a fact
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Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2018, 08:10:30 AM »
Oh really?

Was the evidence of the same quality as that used against Leonor Cipriano ?   8)><(

It seeme to me that the questions were aimed at trying to fit them up.  Amaral was in charge and he told Gerry a whopping lie to try and make him confess to something that neither he nor Kate had any part in.  That is the appalling thing about this case.  The Mccanns knew that Amaral was only looking for a dead Madeleine, not a living Madeleine.


The parents were quite correctly advised not to answer the questions and by this time it was very obvious, imo, that The Mccanns knew about what had happened in the Cipriano case. 


In th early days one could pick up on the internet  that Leandro Silva (Leonors partner) had notified The Mccanns of the injustices of the case and the brutality of what happened to Leonor.   Probably the Ambassader / Consul had also made them aware of the Cipriano case and of the injustices and torture in the Michael Cook case.

They must have known that the questions were in place to try and fit them up, in my opinion


I think you will find the information the mccs received was from the M3

who were employed to find anything to dish the dirt on GA...

paid for by the fund.....

post imo
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2018, 08:12:29 AM »
You need to understand the difference between something not being confirmed and something being proved incorrect.

I think you and others need to understand... It is basically impossible to prove the dogs wrong... Even if Maddie turned up this would not prove the dogs wrong. 
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Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2018, 09:19:18 AM »
You need to understand the difference between something not being confirmed and something being proved incorrect.

What are you talking about?

Amaral said in his book that the cadaver dog and the DNA results confirmed there was a dead body in 5a,  they didn't.

Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2018, 09:49:47 AM »
What are you talking about?

Amaral said in his book that the cadaver dog and the DNA results confirmed there was a dead body in 5a,  they didn't.

Says the expert....not an opinion then ...fact...
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2018, 10:01:08 AM »
Says the expert....not an opinion then ...fact...

I am not an expert xtina,  there was no body so any dog alert could not be confirmed.   The DNA results did not prove that Madeleine died in 5a.  So Amaral stating in his book that that the dog and the DNA confirmed a dead body was in 5a is wrong.

Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2018, 10:02:55 AM »
I am not an expert xtina,  there was no body so any dog alert could not be confirmed.   The DNA results did not prove that Madeleine died in 5a.  So Amaral stating in his book that that the dog and the DNA confirmed a dead body was in 5a is wrong.

IYO.....thats all
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2018, 10:08:33 AM »
IYO.....thats all

No in the opinion of the forensic files.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 05:23:45 PM by John »

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2018, 10:17:53 AM »
IYO.....thats all

It's the opinion of Grime... Harrison... and every canine expert I've read... The alerts do not confirm cadaver odour... Fact not opinion
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2018, 10:24:56 AM »
I understand.... Cadaver odour was not confirmed.... Simple and a fact

...and Sadie claims that this means there was no body in 5a. Which is an incorrect inference.
It is a lack of contrition that makes a person who has done wrong fixate on being proven blameless.