Sunny's request for cites

[Sunny]

I will start by giving a cite for my own post

I must have asked for at least 6 cites in the last few days and received NONE. Brietta perhaps you could chase them up with the consistency you have chased this one.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10264.msg496064#msg496064

Cite requests
1

Do you have a cite that Goncalo Amaral decided Madeleine was dead on Day 1 please?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10257.msg496038#msg496038
2

Do you have a cite for the windows and doors being open and that remnant scent wouldn't last unless the room was completely sealed.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10257.msg495849#msg495849
3

Do you have a cite that Eddie did still alert to pigs as Martin Grime is quite clear that he didn't in 2007.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;quote=494912;topic=10257.165
4

Do you have a cite to show that ashes give off cadaver odour and also one which shows that pyjamas were left on the bedside cabinet following the grandfather's death.

Cadaver odour scent will move around a room and pool, Martin Grime has already explained that the part of a room where Eddie alerted may not be the exact location of where a cadaver may have been placed.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10257.msg494866#msg494866

5

Perhaps someone should have told "a friend" then Davel. He seems explicit that they have not be interviewed by Scotland Yard. - unless you can say otherwise (with a cite) of course.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10244.msg493989#msg493989

[Vertigo Swirl]

 

[Robittybob1]

Some really hard questions there Sunny. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

Supporters  don't have to give cites!   

They can just make it up.

[misty]

Supporters  don't have to give cites!   

They can just make it up.

For my part, I did answer the question about Eddie alerting to pig cadaver. Had Eddie not been capable of doing so, he wouldn't have passed any ACPO tests as only pig cadaver can be used in the UK. A fail=no licence. Quite simple.

[Mr Gray]

Well, I just hope no muslims or jewish people were in that apartment or the hire car- as a dead pig was hiding in a wardrope. behind a sofa and in a car.. bejeesus

This always makes me smile... Did you know the Christian bible forbids the eating of pork.....

[Sunny]

For my part, I did answer the question about Eddie alerting to pig cadaver. Had Eddie not been capable of doing so, he wouldn't have passed any ACPO tests as only pig cadaver can be used in the UK. A fail=no licence. Quite simple.

My post of course was to Sadie but you did respond Misty with more or less what you said here.  Do you have evidence of what the ACPO test is in the UK? I won't say cite obviously as you have kindly responded to me earlier.

[Robittybob1]

This always makes me smile... Did you know the Christian bible forbids the eating of pork.....

Was this because bacon sarnies would confound cadaver dog alerts in the 21st century?

[Sunny]

Was this because bacon sarnies would confound cadaver dog alerts in the 21st century?

Except Martin Grime was at pains to say the opposite Rob.
The importance of this is that the dog is
introduced to the scent of a decomposing body NOT FOODSTUFF. This
ensures that the dog disregards the 'bacon sandwich' and 'kebab' etc that is
ever present in the background environment. Therefore the dog would
remain efficient searching for a cadaver in a café where the clientele were sat
eating bacon sandwiches.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Miss Taken Identity]

This always makes me smile... Did you know the Christian bible forbids the eating of pork.....

Yes, it is a cultural thing. due to the outbreak of swine disease in the middle east way back in the da  and  carcases lying in sunlight to rot. Hence why the drain the blood from animals before consumption. halal and kosher.

that is why the kill and eat fresh! Nothing mystical about it. superstition meets food science.

[Robittybob1]

Yes, it is a cultural thing. due to the outbreak of swine disease in the middle east way back in the da  and  carcases lying in sunlight to rot. Hence why the drain the blood from animals before consumption. halal and kosher.

that is why the kill and eat fresh! Nothing mystical about it. superstition meets food science.

Who knows?

[misty]

My post of course was to Sadie but you did respond Misty with more or less what you said here.  Do you have evidence of what the ACPO test is in the UK? I won't say cite obviously as you have kindly responded to me earlier.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_7.2.pdf Page 56.
 John Ellis, who worked with Grime, collaborated in this document.
The use of human cadaver or body parts for testing of dogs is currently forbidden in the UK. How do you envisage ACPO instructors testing cadaver dogs if not with decomposing pork?

Page 53 also makes interesting reading.

[Sunny]

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_7.2.pdf Page 56.
 John Ellis, who worked with Grime, collaborated in this document.
The use of human cadaver or body parts for testing of dogs is currently forbidden in the UK. How do you envisage ACPO instructors testing cadaver dogs if not with decomposing pork?

Page 53 also makes interesting reading.

Thank you misty. That was very interesting and you were correct re pig cadavers.. 

[Eleanor]

I have just about had enough of this.  Sceptics are raising spurious arguments, and Supporters are arguing the point, neither of which is doing much for the credibility of this Forum.

There are times when I try really hard to be fair, more fool me.  But I do have the Delete Button whether or not any of you like it.

So we will cut the nastiness, or else I will do what I am charged to do.  Don't ever underestimate me.  I love you all.  But I ain't half daft.

Bloody well behave yourselves.

[slartibartfast]

This always makes me smile... Did you know the Christian bible forbids the eating of pork.....

Well parts of the Old Testament, mainly the Pentateuch.