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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #270 on: October 16, 2018, 02:49:01 PM »
But scent in the air will never concentrate only dissipate. But dust particles do accumulate.

Yes! Then what happens?
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Offline Sunny

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #271 on: October 16, 2018, 03:56:37 PM »
He may be referring to a closed building which had physical remains...if not he makes no sense

And then again he may not.
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Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #272 on: October 16, 2018, 04:14:56 PM »
A cadaver dog would also smell blood even if the article has been removed.   Keela wouldn't alert to that but Eddie would.   It could mean that the a family after the McCann's could have left bloody clothing or bloody tissue in the wardrobe or on the floor and then took it away,  Eddie would still alert to the scent of it.

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #273 on: October 16, 2018, 04:19:09 PM »
And then again he may not.

Then he needs a lesson in physics
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Offline Sunny

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #274 on: October 16, 2018, 04:27:10 PM »
Then he needs a lesson in physics

Now why would he require a lesson in physics just because a dog alerted in the garden of a property.  Perhaps you need a lesson in residual cadaver scent, davel.   

Here is a drugs dog that alerted to the outside door handle of a vehicle. over 2 months after the drugs were removed.

 https://tacticalpolicek9training.com/detection-dogs/residual-drug-odor-research/
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Offline misty

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« Reply #275 on: October 16, 2018, 04:36:41 PM »
Now why would he require a lesson in physics just because a dog alerted in the garden of a property.  Perhaps you need a lesson in residual cadaver scent, davel.   

Here is a drugs dog that alerted to the outside door handle of a vehicle. over 2 months after the drugs were removed.

 https://tacticalpolicek9training.com/detection-dogs/residual-drug-odor-research/

How did the drug scent get on the car door handle in the first place, given that it's not a place drugs would have been stored?

Offline Sunny

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« Reply #276 on: October 16, 2018, 04:46:18 PM »
How did the drug scent get on the car door handle in the first place, given that it's not a place drugs would have been stored?

From his hand opening the door? 
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« Reply #277 on: October 16, 2018, 04:56:06 PM »
From his hand opening the door?

Not necessarily the car owner's hand, though (but it the cited case it almost certainly was).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/22/one-ten-people-have-never-used-cocaine-have-traces-fingertips/

There is always the risk of cross-contamination & in an area where the locals slaughter pigs as a way of life, it is not unreasonable to speculate contamination from shoes brought into 5A from elsewhere. (http://www.saomarcosdaserra.com/a-way-of-life.php)

However, none of that explains why Amaral had already decided that Madeleine was dead on Day 1 without a shred of evidence to substantiate that & before he'd even visited the crime scene.

Offline barrier

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« Reply #278 on: October 16, 2018, 04:59:02 PM »
Not necessarily the car owner's hand, though (but it the cited case it almost certainly was).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/22/one-ten-people-have-never-used-cocaine-have-traces-fingertips/

There is always the risk of cross-contamination & in an area where the locals slaughter pigs as a way of life, it is not unreasonable to speculate contamination from shoes brought into 5A from elsewhere. (http://www.saomarcosdaserra.com/a-way-of-life.php)

However, none of that explains why Amaral had already decided that Madeleine was dead on Day 1 without a shred of evidence to substantiate that & before he'd even visited the crime scene.

With no corroborated sighting's, chances are he was right.
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Offline misty

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #279 on: October 16, 2018, 05:03:59 PM »
With no corroborated sighting's, chances are he was right.

It was up to the PJ to corroborate that hasty assumption, despite it not being in line with standard police procedure. As a body has never been found, chances are he was also wrong.

Online Davel

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #280 on: October 16, 2018, 05:24:25 PM »
Now why would he require a lesson in physics just because a dog alerted in the garden of a property.  Perhaps you need a lesson in residual cadaver scent, davel.   

Here is a drugs dog that alerted to the outside door handle of a vehicle. over 2 months after the drugs were removed.

 https://tacticalpolicek9training.com/detection-dogs/residual-drug-odor-research/
It says door handle... Not outside door  handle as you have  claimed
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #281 on: October 16, 2018, 05:35:20 PM »
It was up to the PJ to corroborate that hasty assumption, despite it not being in line with standard police procedure. As a body has never been found, chances are he was also wrong.


50/50 even M Rowley acknowledged it with no evidence of either 10 yrs after the event,the horse bolted long ago imo.
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #282 on: October 16, 2018, 06:14:04 PM »
I imagine Martin Grime has a tiny bit more knowledge of cadaver scent and how it moves or stays in place than you do Davel.
That is an assumption.
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #283 on: October 16, 2018, 06:16:06 PM »
Yes! Then what happens?
The dust should then be vacuumed up by the cleaning staff.
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Offline Sunny

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« Reply #284 on: October 16, 2018, 06:18:41 PM »
Not necessarily the car owner's hand, though (but it the cited case it almost certainly was).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/22/one-ten-people-have-never-used-cocaine-have-traces-fingertips/

There is always the risk of cross-contamination & in an area where the locals slaughter pigs as a way of life, it is not unreasonable to speculate contamination from shoes brought into 5A from elsewhere. (http://www.saomarcosdaserra.com/a-way-of-life.php)

However, none of that explains why Amaral had already decided that Madeleine was dead on Day 1 without a shred of evidence to substantiate that & before he'd even visited the crime scene.

Do you have a cite that Goncalo Amaral decided Madeleine was dead on Day 1 please?
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