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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2018, 11:03:46 PM »
Well parts of the Old Testament, mainly the Pentateuch.
I’m only surprised no one has yet asked Davel for a cite about it.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline John

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2018, 11:04:01 PM »
I have just about had enough of this.  Sceptics are raising spurious arguments, and Supporters are arguing the point, neither of which is doing much for the credibility of this Forum.

There are times when I try really hard to be fair, more fool me.  But I do have the Delete Button whether or not any of you like it.

So we will cut the nastiness, or else I will do what I am charged to do.  Don't ever underestimate me.  I love you all.  But I ain't half daft.

Bloody well behave yourselves.

You have my support on this Eleanor. This nit picking will stop now otherwise there will be sanctions applied.

It is convention to provide a cite where possible so please endeavor to do so guys.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 11:06:22 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2018, 11:05:48 PM »
I’m only surprised no one has yet asked Davel for a cite about it.

Only needed if you didn’t know.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2018, 11:20:46 PM »
Only needed if you didn’t know.
IMO cites are usually only asked for by people who already think they know.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2018, 11:23:51 PM »
IMO cites are usually only asked for by people who already think they know.

IMO they are usually asked when a poster hasn’t seen a cite for the claim in question themselves and wants to know if there is one. Which is what cites are for.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2018, 11:30:07 PM »
You have my support on this Eleanor. This nit picking will stop now otherwise there will be sanctions applied.

It is convention to provide a cite where possible so please endeavor to do so guys.

How many times do you think a Cite should be necessary, John?  I personally can't handle that either.  This demand is just another way to derail anything that might be said, when a Cite has often been already given.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2018, 11:36:08 PM »
IMO they are usually asked when a poster hasn’t seen a cite for the claim in question themselves and wants to know if there is one. Which is what cites are for.
It’s all about trying to score points IMO.  And stifle debate. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline John

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2018, 11:43:51 PM »
How many times do you think a Cite should be necessary, John?  I personally can't handle that either.  This demand is just another way to derail anything that might be said, when a Cite has often been already given.

There is no hard and fast rule about this but common sense should prevail. If a cite has previously been given then it should be obtainable following a short search. It is good practice however to provide a cite wherever possible which will circumvent this needless disruption.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2018, 11:51:32 PM »
It’s all about trying to score points IMO.  And stifle debate.
Can I quote you on this the next time you are hunting me for a cite when I have made clear I won't provide one,
so you can deal with my post on a take it or leave it basis?  As per the Porto farce?
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2018, 02:15:26 AM »
http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_7.2.pdf Page 56.
 John Ellis, who worked with Grime, collaborated in this document.
The use of human cadaver or body parts for testing of dogs is currently forbidden in the UK. How do you envisage ACPO instructors testing cadaver dogs if not with decomposing pork?

Page 53 also makes interesting reading.
Indeed it does given that apparently Eddie's use was for 'residual scent' and given the way clothing items were packed to be taken to be taken from the villa where they had undergone inspection to the gymnasium where they underwent another inspection.

Same clothes ... same dogs! but certainly a different technique used in Luz from the requirements stated below.


3. Clothing recovered to be individually bagged (each item to be photographed front & back prior
to packaging). This will mean a CSI photographer being deputed to work with the individual task
force teams. If bulk bagged there will be cross contamination issues which could mean +ve
indications by dog on clothing not involved in the offence and also cross contamination of fibres.

5. Bagged clothing exhibits to be brought to identified screening site by exhibits officer on day of
screening. Number of exhibits to be screened to be limited to no more than 30 per screening
dog (each exhibit equates to 4 separate searches as individual exhibits are screened front and
back and then turned inside out and again screened front and back). Clothing that may have
been washed will take considerably longer to screen. Each item of clothing to be put on
individual sheets of forensically clean brown paper. After examination wrap the exhibit in the
brown paper it is laid on and place the wrapped clothing into the original exhibit bag.
http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_7.2.pdf
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2018, 04:48:25 AM »
How desperate and twee sunny, especially as you have not given cites when requested.


But nobody has been twee enough to gather them and list them.
I think Sunny is doing really well.  Most of those cites she is asking for, the disputed statement should have been written as "IMO" and then there wouldn't have been such an issue
« Last Edit: October 17, 2018, 09:58:28 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2018, 04:53:32 AM »
There is no hard and fast rule about this but common sense should prevail. If a cite has previously been given then it should be obtainable following a short search. It is good practice however to provide a cite wherever possible which will circumvent this needless disruption.

The needless disruption often being the demand for a Cite already given.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2018, 05:06:36 AM »
I will start by giving a cite for my own post

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10264.msg496064#msg496064

Cite requests
1http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10257.msg496038#msg496038

"Do you have a cite that Goncalo Amaral decided Madeleine was dead on Day 1 please?"


The fact that Portuguese papers had written an article about a "Badly told story"  may have indicated that GA thought Madeleine was dead, without saying it in full.

Did you have the link to that paper?

"JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends. Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

Where they say "the police started to suspect the parents from the word go"  what can that really mean?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2018, 05:12:58 AM »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sunny's request for cites
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2018, 07:42:53 AM »
Can I quote you on this the next time you are hunting me for a cite when I have made clear I won't provide one,
so you can deal with my post on a take it or leave it basis?  As per the Porto farce?
I did not hunt you or demand a cite, unless you can provide a cite that proves your point, in the spirit of “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em”? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".