Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294729 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1860 on: August 02, 2019, 09:33:56 AM »
It's a very interesting and informative article by David James Smith, reproduced on the Icke Forum. Here is a link to the original story in the Sunday Times;
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-official-there-was-no-child-abuse-in-jersey-5xcb0j2xd7b\
In your opinion... Do you believe everything you read in the papers.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1861 on: August 02, 2019, 09:44:12 AM »
In your opinion... Do you believe everything you read in the papers.

Have you read what he wrote? Do you dispute his account? In my opinion it's a balanced article which sets out the facts very well.
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« Reply #1862 on: August 02, 2019, 09:46:49 AM »
In your opinion... Do you believe everything you read in the papers.


I once read JFK was shot,so who knows. *%6^
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Offline Brietta

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1863 on: August 02, 2019, 10:44:26 AM »
Corrie McKeague - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

Ben Needham - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

Both are named individuals who were reported missing in specific areas.

There are no missing persons recorded as being associated with Haute de la Garenne
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1864 on: August 02, 2019, 10:52:44 AM »
I'm trying to find out whether coconut shells have collagen in them.

"On March 14, the scientists told the police that there was not enough collagen to date the fragment; a week later they said there was enough after all. Collagen is only present in human bones — not in wood or coconut shells. Then another week later, they changed their minds again: there was probably no collagen after all. It was only in early April that the experts began to suggest it was probably — not definitely — not human after all. So far as Harper is concerned, that is still the position now. The suggestion was that it could be wood or a seed. The idea that it might be a fragment of coconut shell was a secondary opinion never given directly to the inquiry. The anthropologist who had originally thought it was a piece of a child’s skull re-examined it over April 8 and 9 and noted it had changed texture, weight and colour since she first saw it. Now she thought it might not be bone, though she too could not be certain. But by now it was established that the fragment, human or not, came from a pre-1940s/Victorian layer of the dig. They agreed to put it to one side and not waste further resources on more tests. It was no longer relevant."
from https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=269527
As a puppy the first 'objet trouvé' my dog carried home was a coconut shell or I presume it was; it certainly made a more convincing looking 'skull' than JAR6 did.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1865 on: August 02, 2019, 11:34:01 AM »
Have you read what he wrote? Do you dispute his account? In my opinion it's a balanced article which sets out the facts very well.

I had a quick look at saw some things that were not corroborated... He may have embellished his article... Will check later

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1866 on: August 02, 2019, 03:47:53 PM »
Have you read what he wrote? Do you dispute his account? In my opinion it's a balanced article which sets out the facts very well.

Have you read what he wrote... You think it's well balanced... Did you see this..


I have heard that Harper’s replacements have spoken cynically about the dog, implying that its handler, Martin Grime, fixes the dog’s demonstrations by priming it in advance with his own scent.


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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1867 on: August 02, 2019, 04:05:39 PM »
Have you read what he wrote... You think it's well balanced... Did you see this..


I have heard that Harper’s replacements have spoken cynically about the dog, implying that its handler, Martin Grime, fixes the dog’s demonstrations by priming it in advance with his own scent.

You will have noticed that Harper's replacements didn't exactly impress him either.
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« Reply #1868 on: August 02, 2019, 04:31:29 PM »
You will have noticed that Harper's replacements didn't exactly impress him either.

are you not even a little shocked by the criticism of grime

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1869 on: August 02, 2019, 05:06:52 PM »
A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains.



This is interestinhg and from tjhe BDO report. What its saying is that after recovering the coconut....it was presented to Eddie who alerted to it. So Edddie DID alert specifically  to the coconut...waht does thats say about eddies reliability. page 44 on the right side

https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1870 on: August 02, 2019, 05:23:04 PM »
I'm sure some one will provide a cite where a anthropologist or some one of that standing will confirm it was coconut for now lets let the anthropologist say what it might not be.

The anthropologist who had originally thought it was a piece of a child's skull re-examined it over April 8 and 9 and noted it had changed texture, weight and colour since she first saw it. Now she thought it might not be bone, though she too could not be certain.
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1871 on: August 02, 2019, 05:27:04 PM »
are you not even a little shocked by the criticism of grime

Shocked by heresay,on here! seriously?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1872 on: August 02, 2019, 05:27:26 PM »
I'm sure some one will provide a cite where a anthropologist or some one of that standing will confirm it was coconut for now lets let the anthropologist say what it might not be.

The anthropologist who had originally thought it was a piece of a child's skull re-examined it over April 8 and 9 and noted it had changed texture, weight and colour since she first saw it. Now she thought it might not be bone, though she too could not be certain.

i actually think its been proven not to be bone....Ill have a look

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1873 on: August 02, 2019, 05:31:21 PM »
are you not even a little shocked by the criticism of grime

Given the way Harper's replacements bad mouthed their own colleagues., no. I don't even know what they mean.  I agree with David Janes Smith who found the goings-on by the authoities in Jersey pretty fishy. 
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« Reply #1874 on: August 02, 2019, 05:33:54 PM »
Given the way Harper's replacements bad mouthed their own colleagues., no. I don't even know what they mean.  I agree with David Janes Smith who found the goings-on by the authoities in Jersey pretty fishy.

" bad mouthed their own colleagues"....what did they say that was not supported by evidence.   cite