Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

This is from the same Guardian article... link above:

............."The inquiry was delivered a blow when, in January 2008, Harper's deputy, DI Alison Fossey, went to the mainland on a strategic command course. Fossey had a law degree and had worked in child protection for most of her career. She was a details person, while Harper had a more scattergun approach. In her absence, the investigation was transformed by lurid claims of bodies and murder. One police report from this time states, "Among the [Haut] victims were a few who said that children had been dragged from their beds at night screaming and had then disappeared." A local builder who had done renovations there in 2003 said he had found what he thought were children's bones and shoes. These items had been disposed of by the Jersey pathologist. Harper remained suspicious. On 5 February 2008, he flew to Oxford to take advice from LGC Forensics, a crime scene service used by forces across the UK.

Two weeks later, an LGC team encamped at Haut de la Garenne. A squad of technicians in white suits pored over the site. Central to it all were two sniffer dogs, Eddie and Keela, which Harper took to describing as his "canine assets". They were veterans deployed in the search for missing Madeleine McCann in Portugal, although the controversy caused there should have served as a warning to Harper. In Portugal, the dogs had crawled over a car used by Gerry and Kate McCann, and sounded the alarm. The Portuguese police then claimed that the McCanns had killed their daughter, when what the dogs had actually picked up on was both parents' legitimate proximity to death, working in hospitals.

At Haut de la Garenne, the dogs made straight for the place where in 2003 the builder said he had found bones. A senior police officer recalled, "They did cartwheels on the spot. And Harper went through the roof." As in Portugal, the dogs had smelled something but could not differentiate between ancient remains and a contemporary murder. But at 2pm on 23 February, caution cast aside, Harper called a press conference, telling reporters police believed that the partial remains of a child were buried there.

Over the following months, £7.5m would be spent sifting 100 tonnes of earth. By the time DI Fossey returned, there were 65 milk teeth, 165 bone fragments and two lime-lined pits dominating the inquiry. "...........

No wonder the dogs went wild with alerting.

[Mr Gray]

No wonder the dogs went wild with alerting.

Yet no evidence of murder was found

[Robittybob1]

Yet no evidence of murder was found

Sounds like they had plenty of time to tidy up.

[Mr Gray]

Sounds like they had plenty of time to tidy up.

im talking facts...yours is speculation  did someone dig up the 100 tons of earth first...made sure it was clear

[ShiningInLuz]

im talking facts...yours is speculation  did someone dig up the 100 tons of earth first...made sure it was clear

Corrie McKeague - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

Ben Needham - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

[Robittybob1]

Corrie McKeague - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

Ben Needham - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

The Earth is enormous when you start looking for a body.

[Mr Gray]

Corrie McKeague - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

Ben Needham - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

the dogs checked the area in jersey...no body found...no evidence of homicide  found

[Robittybob1]

the dogs checked the area in jersey...no body found...no evidence of homicide  found

Are the dogs trained in homicide detection are they? 

[Robittybob1]

On a YT about chondroitin I received a reply to a comment I made:

"I hear pineapple has a fair amount of chondroitin"

My reply:  "That is interesting.  Where did you hear this can you recall?  Chondroitin is the break down of boiling cartilage, which is a version of the protein Collagen II.  Different species have different molecular weight chondroitin molecules."

I was thinking how Davel always goers on about Eddie finding a coconut at Haut de la Garenne.  Is this due to the chondroitin in the coconut? 

Wikipedia on Chondroitin Sulphate: 
"Most chondroitin appears to be made from extracts of cartilaginous cow and pig tissues (cow trachea and pig ear and nose), but other sources such as shark, fish, and bird cartilage are also used. Since chondroitin is not a uniform substance, and is naturally present in a wide variety of forms, the precise composition of each supplement will vary."


Since in animals I have read that chondroitin from beef is a different molecule to shark derived chondroitin, you would wonder if what a cadaver go is smelling  to give the species determination isn't chondroitin. "

I wonder if chondroitin actually has a smell and whether different species derived chondroitin smells differently?

[Robittybob1]

I'm trying to find out whether coconut shells have collagen in them.

"On March 14, the scientists told the police that there was not enough collagen to date the fragment; a week later they said there was enough after all. Collagen is only present in human bones — not in wood or coconut shells. Then another week later, they changed their minds again: there was probably no collagen after all. It was only in early April that the experts began to suggest it was probably — not definitely — not human after all. So far as Harper is concerned, that is still the position now. The suggestion was that it could be wood or a seed. The idea that it might be a fragment of coconut shell was a secondary opinion never given directly to the inquiry. The anthropologist who had originally thought it was a piece of a child’s skull re-examined it over April 8 and 9 and noted it had changed texture, weight and colour since she first saw it. Now she thought it might not be bone, though she too could not be certain. But by now it was established that the fragment, human or not, came from a pre-1940s/Victorian layer of the dig. They agreed to put it to one side and not waste further resources on more tests. It was no longer relevant."
from https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=269527

[Mr Gray]

I'm trying to find out whether coconut shells have collagen in them.

"On March 14, the scientists told the police that there was not enough collagen to date the fragment; a week later they said there was enough after all. Collagen is only present in human bones — not in wood or coconut shells. Then another week later, they changed their minds again: there was probably no collagen after all. It was only in early April that the experts began to suggest it was probably — not definitely — not human after all. So far as Harper is concerned, that is still the position now. The suggestion was that it could be wood or a seed. The idea that it might be a fragment of coconut shell was a secondary opinion never given directly to the inquiry. The anthropologist who had originally thought it was a piece of a child’s skull re-examined it over April 8 and 9 and noted it had changed texture, weight and colour since she first saw it. Now she thought it might not be bone, though she too could not be certain. But by now it was established that the fragment, human or not, came from a pre-1940s/Victorian layer of the dig. They agreed to put it to one side and not waste further resources on more tests. It was no longer relevant."
from https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=269527

This is from David ickes forum... Icke believes the Queen is really a shape shifting 12 foot lizard... I'm surprised you didn't know

[Mr Gray]

Corrie McKeague - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

Ben Needham - vast swathes dug up - no body found.  Presumed dead, not by natural causes.

So what child was reported missing in Jersey.. None as I understand

[John]

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[Robittybob1]

So what child was reported missing in Jersey.. None as I understand

Were there records to work from?

[G-Unit]

This is from David ickes forum... Icke believes the Queen is really a shape shifting 12 foot lizard... I'm surprised you didn't know

It's a very interesting and informative article by David James Smith, reproduced on the Icke Forum. Here is a link to the original story in the Sunday Times;
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-official-there-was-no-child-abuse-in-jersey-5xcb0j2xd7b\