Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Eleanor]

A cite for the above would be helpful.

It is actually basic common sense.

[faithlilly]

It is actually basic common sense.

That maybe but when claims are made a cite is required. I didn’t make the rules.

[Eleanor]

That maybe but when claims are made a cite is required. I didn’t make the rules.

This Cite business is getting ridiculous.

[faithlilly]

This Cite business is getting ridiculous.

I can’t disagree Eleanor but a rule is a rule.

[Eleanor]

I can’t disagree Eleanor but a rule is a rule.

I didn't think you would disagree, Faith.  And thank goodness for that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

A cite for the above would be helpful.

”it seems”, “probably “ etc - no cite needed.

[Eleanor]

”it seems”, “probably “ etc - no cite needed.

One would have to go a long way to catch Brietta stating Opinion as fact.

[Sunny]

One would have to go a long way to catch Brietta stating Opinion as fact.

It seems to me that she has

Therefore going on those two instances ... of failure to locate cadaver scent from an item wrapped in brown paper ... and failure to locate actual bodily remains wrapped in plastic ... it seems that cadaver dogs are indeed unreliable and are most certainly not infallible.

Dictionary definition.

used for saying that something appears to exist or be true
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/it-seems

[Eleanor]

It seems to me that she has

Therefore going on those two instances ... of failure to locate cadaver scent from an item wrapped in brown paper ... and failure to locate actual bodily remains wrapped in plastic ... it seems that cadaver dogs are indeed unreliable and are most certainly not infallible.

Dictionary definition.

used for saying that something appears to exist or be true
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/it-seems

So just your Opinion.  It isn't my Opinion.

I will be deleting any further Comments arguing this point.

[Sunny]

So just your Opinion.  It isn't my Opinion.

I will be deleting any further Comments arguing this point.

Eleanor. Do it then. Brietta picked me up on my use of words then stopped all discussions on it when I tried to explain. Now you try to do the same when I pick up her use of words.  This is not fair discussion IMO.

[G-Unit]

Cadaver dogs can only be seen as unreliable if people's expectations are unrealistic in my opinion. I have never seen a tracking dog labelled 'unreliable' if it doesn't find the person it's looking for. Both types of dogs can be successful and both kinds can be unsuccessful. It's worth using them because until they're used no-one knows what evidence or intelligence might emerge.

[Sunny]

Cadaver dogs can only be seen as unreliable if people's expectations are unrealistic in my opinion. I have never seen a tracking dog labelled 'unreliable' if it doesn't find the person it's looking for. Both types of dogs can be successful and both kinds can be unsuccessful. It's worth using them because until they're used no-one knows what evidence or intelligence might emerge.

So far Brietta has pointed out two cases where dogs didn't alert. In the McCanns case Eddie DID alert so those cases are irrelevant IMO.

[The General]

So far Brietta has pointed out two cases where dogs didn't alert. In the McCanns case Eddie DID alert so those cases are irrelevant IMO.

I mean, it's a fair point. The dogs alerted to something, so if not cadaverous odour, then what? If they're trained to find it, but alert to a discarded Monster Munch* packet, then even martin Grimes would be pulling them out of service.



*Other brand corn snacks are available.

[G-Unit]

So far Brietta has pointed out two cases where dogs didn't alert. In the McCanns case Eddie DID alert so those cases are irrelevant IMO.

The discussion seems to have moved away from the attempt by the McCann's lawyers to cast doubt upon the reliability of these dogs. I don't really understand why they bothered as they weren't comparing like with like.

[Mr Gray]

I mean, it's a fair point. The dogs alerted to something, so if not cadaverous odour, then what? If they're trained to find it, but alert to a discarded Monster Munch* packet, then even martin Grimes would be pulling them out of service.



*Other brand corn snacks are available.

Only the dogs know what the alerts, were to... I'm convinced there was no cadaver in 5a.. I'm certainly not convinced by Grimes claim Re Cuddle Cat.... For me there is a, massive question over the, alerts... When grime says the, alerts have no evidential reliability... It puts them into perspective