Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294521 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #195 on: November 03, 2018, 07:29:16 PM »
It’s common sense, using none experts is a recipe for failure.

“GP – What exactly is your profession?

AP answer he is a Crisis Counsellor.

GP asks whether he is a psychologist?

AP says he has some competences in psychology (psychology was one of the elements in his degree).

GP asks again "are you a psychologist?"

AP says no.”

I think you are totally misguided...this is not a court of law....experts are proved wrong every day....



Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #196 on: November 03, 2018, 07:59:55 PM »
It’s common sense, using none experts is a recipe for failure.

“GP – What exactly is your profession?

AP answer he is a Crisis Counsellor.

GP asks whether he is a psychologist?

AP says he has some competences in psychology (psychology was one of the elements in his degree).

GP asks again "are you a psychologist?"

AP says no.”
Let’s hear no more criticism or contradictions of the police, or of doctors, or journalists of PR men or anyone else who is an expert in their field then.  I trust you will set a good example, seeing as how you’re a mod and all.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #197 on: November 03, 2018, 08:03:30 PM »
Let’s hear no more criticism or contradictions of the police, or of doctors, or journalists of PR men or anyone else who is an expert in their field then.  I trust you will set a good example, seeing as how you’re a mod and all.

absolutely...no more criticism of SY who are the leading experts

Offline Sunny

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #198 on: November 03, 2018, 08:10:04 PM »
absolutely...no more criticism of SY who are the leading experts

No more criticism of the Portuguese police either Davel?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #199 on: November 03, 2018, 08:12:58 PM »
No more criticism of the Portuguese police either Davel?

you need to read the posts...Ive maintained its quite reasonable to criticise so called experts and will continue to do so,,,,slarti says its unnacceptable....who do you agree with....LOL ...I dont expect an answer

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #200 on: November 03, 2018, 08:13:12 PM »
Let’s hear no more criticism or contradictions of the police, or of doctors, or journalists of PR men or anyone else who is an expert in their field then.  I trust you will set a good example, seeing as how you’re a mod and all.

I think the point being made was that AP wasn't an expert witness.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #201 on: November 03, 2018, 08:15:29 PM »
I think the point being made was that AP wasn't an expert witness.

no...slarti has maintained that a lay person cannot criticise a so called expert...which imo ...is patently ridiculous

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #202 on: November 03, 2018, 08:22:14 PM »
I think the point being made was that AP wasn't an expert witness.
No, I think Slarti was playing a game of Top Trumps.  No one can contradict Grime, he is the Top Trump.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #203 on: November 03, 2018, 08:28:52 PM »
No, I think Slarti was playing a game of Top Trumps.  No one can contradict Grime, he is the Top Trump.

The whole idea that experts are exempt from criticism
is patently absurd... Which says a lot about anyone trying to make that point
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #204 on: November 03, 2018, 08:36:20 PM »
has every alert given by morse been confirmed...its basically impossible to prove a dog wrong...if maddie turned up tomorrow it would not prove eddie wrong
That was the point I was making.  Unless you have a case where he was wrong Grime can claim he was never wrong.  That does not discount those cases that are not determined.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #205 on: November 03, 2018, 08:49:58 PM »
no...slarti has maintained that a lay person cannot criticise a so called expert...which imo ...is patently ridiculous

A lay person's criticism is just an opinion. An expert's opinion is based upon their training, knowledge and experience.

If I call a plumber to mend a leak and the leak continues after he's gone I'm entitled to criticise his work. I'm not qualified to say why his work was sub-standard.

AP was allowed to waffle on about 'secondary trauma' but as he wasn't a qualified psychologist his opinion wasn't an expert opinion.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #206 on: November 03, 2018, 08:58:57 PM »
A lay person's criticism is just an opinion. An expert's opinion is based upon their training, knowledge and experience.

If I call a plumber to mend a leak and the leak continues after he's gone I'm entitled to criticise his work. I'm not qualified to say why his work was sub-standard.

AP was allowed to waffle on about 'secondary trauma' but as he wasn't a qualified psychologist his opinion wasn't an expert opinion.
What are AP’s qualifications?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #207 on: November 03, 2018, 09:03:13 PM »
A lay person's criticism is just an opinion. An expert's opinion is based upon their training, knowledge and experience.

If I call a plumber to mend a leak and the leak continues after he's gone I'm entitled to criticise his work. I'm not qualified to say why his work was sub-standard.

AP was allowed to waffle on about 'secondary trauma' but as he wasn't a qualified psychologist his opinion wasn't an expert opinion.
I've heard of cases where surgeons remove the wrong body part.  You don't have to be an expert to criticise that.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #208 on: November 03, 2018, 09:14:07 PM »
I've heard of cases where surgeons remove the wrong body part.  You don't have to be an expert to criticise that.

According  to slsrti you do...LOL

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #209 on: November 03, 2018, 09:18:52 PM »
I have a 2:1in Film Studies.  Unless you have equivalent on better than me you cannot contradict my opinion on films.  The end.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".