Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Mr Gray]

Rob there are serious timing issues throughout this whole fiasco- why are you surprised the time doesn't fit.lol
MBM may not have been dead when hidden and was abducted  believing she was alive.

I don't believe any of it... I am just wondering why it is not a scenario the parents cannot accept as a reasonable account. They dimiss the dogs right off, while sniggering. If It was my daughter I would look at all scenarios/thesis, no matter how bad it looked.

Of course they dismiss the dogs.... If Maddie, was killed in the apartment by an intruder there would be no time fir cadaver odour to develop

[Vertigo Swirl]

Rob there are serious timing issues throughout this whole fiasco- why are you surprised the time doesn't fit.lol
MBM may not have been dead when hidden and was abducted  believing she was alive.

I don't believe any of it... I am just wondering why it is not a scenario the parents cannot accept as a reasonable account. They dimiss the dogs right off, while sniggering. If It was my daughter I would look at all scenarios/thesis, no matter how bad it looked.

Could we have a cite for the McCanns sniggering at the dog alerts, thanks.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Could we have a cite for the McCanns sniggering at the dog alerts, thanks.

As Elenor would say- it is well documented!

  Gerry sniggered when asked what about the dogs.. he told the interviewer to "ask the dogs Sandra..."

for those who do not think the parents did snigger and grin at some questions  just check out you tube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vh5ObkBM3c

[Robittybob1]

That's the whole point... We don't know what the tests involve
I suspect just a hidden contaminated pad

It would be a mistake to have something constant, like a pad, otherwise you might be training the dog to smell for padding.

[Robittybob1]

Could we have a cite for the McCanns sniggering at the dog alerts, thanks.

"ask the dogs"

[G-Unit]

“The Court did not, however, rule out the questioning of reliability where specific grounds are present.[29] Kagan also stated that "a defendant must have an opportunity to challenge such evidence of a dog’s reliability, whether by cross-examining the testifying officer or by introducing his own fact or expert witnesses. The defendant may contest training or testing standards as flawed, or too lax, or raise an issue regarding the particular alert."[31]

Obviously. Each dog is different. Some, like Grime's, are very impressive, others less so. I expect the same applies when any expert witnesses are called. Each one has to be individually assessed. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Obviously. Each dog is different. Some, like Grime's, are very impressive, others less so. I expect the same applies when any expert witnesses are called. Each one has to be individually assessed.

Yes, by an independent assessor, the problem is there doesn’t appear to be such a thing.

[G-Unit]

Yes, by an independent assessor, the problem is there doesn’t appear to be such a thing.

No, by the judge in each case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No, by the judge in each case.

Judges aren’t able to test the reliability and ability of dogs, they can only assess evidence supplied to them by individuals who claim to have put them through rigorous, unbiased testing, individuals who mostly seem to be closely involved in the cadaver dog industry themselves.

[Mr Gray]

No, by the judge in each case.

the same judges who allowed LCN Dna to be admitted as evidence....Judges are not scientists

[Miss Taken Identity]

Judges aren’t able to test the reliability and ability of dogs, they can only assess evidence supplied to them by individuals who claim to have put them through rigorous, unbiased testing, individuals who mostly seem to be closely involved in the cadaver dog industry themselves.

You mean by those who know how to test in the industry- bit like a university testing and marking a thesis? wow new stuff coming out here....lol

[Mr Gray]

You mean by those who know how to test in the industry- bit like a university testing and marking a thesis? wow new stuff coming out here....lol

I dont think they do know how to test ...what scientific qualifications do these dog handlers have

[Vertigo Swirl]

You mean by those who know how to test in the industry- bit like a university testing and marking a thesis? wow new stuff coming out here....lol

???

[Robittybob1]

I dont think they do know how to test ...what scientific qualifications do these dog handlers have

Self taught is OK too.

[Mr Gray]

Self taught is OK too.

it is if it reaches scientific standards....anectdotal evidence certainly doesnt and shows how little they understand science