Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294878 times)

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Offline Lace

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #510 on: November 07, 2018, 02:27:28 PM »
In my opinion you can't take a cadaver dogs alert as reliable unless a body is found.   Cadaver dogs alert to everything that makes up the scent of a cadaver and one of them is blood.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #511 on: November 07, 2018, 02:36:09 PM »
In my opinion you can't take a cadaver dogs alert as reliable unless a body is found.   Cadaver dogs alert to everything that makes up the scent of a cadaver and one of them is blood.

Yet there are people serving prison sentences for murder when no body has been found. A cadaver dog alert can be used as part of a case using circumstantial evidence.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #512 on: November 07, 2018, 03:11:48 PM »
Yet there are people serving prison sentences for murder when no body has been found. A cadaver dog alert can be used as part of a case using circumstantial evidence.
And at least one miscarriage of justice has been revealed as a result.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #513 on: November 07, 2018, 03:30:33 PM »
And at least one miscarriage of justice has been revealed as a result.

Which is?
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #514 on: November 07, 2018, 03:58:31 PM »
Doesn't that need an 'IMO' ?

I don't think so.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #515 on: November 07, 2018, 04:48:08 PM »
You see, this is why it's completely pointless providing cites for statements for people like you, it's a thankless task and despite the plethora of cites provided I have still (according to you) failed to prove my assertion that "numerous police forces have used psychics in the past".   

I suppose you think the following statement is a true fact then?

"No police force has used psychics in an attempt to solve cases".

Let's leave it there then, if that satisfies you.  No police force has ever used psychics.  I was completely wrong to say they ever had, and all my cites prove how mistaken i was to even suggest it.

There was a case in the USA where a body was found by a person who said he had a dream where the body could be found.  Obviously he became a suspect later, but I do ,believe some dreams can have important information in them.  A dreamer is not really a psychic but it is similar in some ways.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #516 on: November 07, 2018, 04:49:39 PM »
Zapata the liar was unreliable not the dogs is a better thread title.  More liars will be exposed in this case and I will give you a clue - it's not a dog.
Are you referring to that recent newspaper headline about Amaral?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10363.0
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Offline Gertrude

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #517 on: November 07, 2018, 04:57:16 PM »
I don't think so.

Why not? Davel stated it as fact, It is not proven that the dogs got excited because they smelled luminol.

   If you want to use that logic I could say Eddie got excited because he smelt the smell of death. I can't prove it so it would only be an opinion. Fair is Fair.

Offline Brietta

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #518 on: November 07, 2018, 05:21:34 PM »
Why not? Davel stated it as fact, It is not proven that the dogs got excited because they smelled luminol.

   If you want to use that logic I could say Eddie got excited because he smelt the smell of death. I can't prove it so it would only be an opinion. Fair is Fair.

If one reads the post carefully it will be seen that a cite is not required ...

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5a, was the only apartment that had been covered in luminol
IMO Eddie was excited because he was at a crime scene and recognised the odours...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500511#msg500511

When checking that out I happened to notice that I have asked you for a cite and you have not complied ... please will you check back and get back and comply with my request.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #519 on: November 07, 2018, 05:36:33 PM »
Which is?
If I tell you you won’t accept it and move the goalposts so what’s the point?
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Offline Gertrude

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #520 on: November 07, 2018, 06:26:13 PM »
If one reads the post carefully it will be seen that a cite is not required ...

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5a, was the only apartment that had been covered in luminol
IMO Eddie was excited because he was at a crime scene and recognised the odours...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500511#msg500511

When checking that out I happened to notice that I have asked you for a cite and you have not complied ... please will you check back and get back and comply with my request.

 When I asked for the IMO the post had not been edited, now it has with a 'IMO'. 2 minutes after my post by Slarti. the poster did not respond so I wasn't aware. So it must have needed the IMO added, I didn't ask for a cite.

 What do I need a cite for please?   Are you referring to me saying there IS EVIDENCE in the case? I don't see how that can need a cite. All the material in the official police files ( testimonies, statements etc. forensics)  is evidence whether people believe it is against the McCanns or not.

Offline Sunny

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #521 on: November 07, 2018, 06:29:27 PM »
If one reads the post carefully it will be seen that a cite is not required ...

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5a, was the only apartment that had been covered in luminol
IMO Eddie was excited because he was at a crime scene and recognised the odours...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500511#msg500511

When checking that out I happened to notice that I have asked you for a cite and you have not complied ... please will you check back and get back and comply with my request.

Perhaps someone could explain why Gertrude's post was deleted and therefore the quote from Davel was also deleted too. This is the post that Eleanor answered.

Here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500820#msg500820
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Offline Gertrude

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #522 on: November 07, 2018, 06:42:32 PM »
Perhaps someone could explain why Gertrude's post was deleted and therefore the quote from Davel was also deleted too. This is the post that Eleanor answered.

Here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500820#msg500820

Yes, it's a bit confusing to be honest. I was sure I saw something then it seemed to have been edited.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #523 on: November 07, 2018, 07:30:04 PM »
Yes, it's a bit confusing to be honest. I was sure I saw something then it seemed to have been edited.

It seems to have been edited by Slarti. Here's the original being answered by Angelo;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500513#msg500513
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Offline Sunny

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #524 on: November 07, 2018, 07:44:22 PM »
It seems to have been edited by Slarti. Here's the original being answered by Angelo;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg500513#msg500513

Thank you G-Unit. That now makes sense.
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