Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[barrier]

i dont think its all wrong to question Grime....the point im making is that Grime seems to have changed his postion dramatically in what constitutes corroboration......with no real explanation as to why. There was no mention of anectdotal witness statements in LUz...the emphasis was on physical remains.

It will be interesting to see what the expert says in the redwine case as to how long the scent of death lasts as a remnant scent...

It'll be interesting to know if its opinion as opposed to fact.

[Mr Gray]

It'll be interesting to know if its opinion as opposed to fact.

It will..but she is a real scientist. Remember it's the dog handler making the claim so it is up to the prosecution to show the scent would last ...for a year I believe is the claim..

She may just show there's no evidence to support that claim

[Robittybob1]

All I have ever seen Grime say (or write) is that the dogs are highly skilled in alerting to what they have been trained to alert to. This alert, he tells us, is just an indicator. It helps a team of scientists recover material for examination and interpretation. That's all he has ever said as far as what I have seen, and this is exactly what happened in the McCann case.

But then do you accept that the DNA results did not point conclusively back to Madeleine but as much to someone related to her?

[Robittybob1]

thats what he said in Luz...he nows says something different. He sees the alerts themselves as evidence if they are corroborated by anectdotal witness statements

Why is that?  Isn't it because it has been shown to be highly reliable.  How reliable are the statements?  How reliable are eyewitness identifications, how reliable are DNA results?  Nothing else is 100% reliable as well yet it is allowed, so why not cadaver dog results backed with anecdotal witness statements that support the findings?

[Robittybob1]

Ive already suggested what you have posted...if that evidence was presented to a hostile court in portugal the Mccanns would be convicted...but the "evidence " is total bull

The period covered by the statutes of limitations has already passed, so unless you think the charge will be murder, what charges can they face?

[Mr Gray]

The period covered by the statutes of limitations has already passed, so unless you think the charge will be murder, what charges can they face?

It's hypothetical

[Robittybob1]

It will..but she is a real scientist. Remember it's the dog handler making the claim so it is up to the prosecution to show the scent would last ...for a year I believe is the claim..

She may just show there's no evidence to support that claim

I believe you are in no position to refute any claim.

[Mr Gray]

Why is that?  Isn't it because it has been shown to be highly reliable.  How reliable are the statements?  How reliable are eyewitness identifications, how reliable are DNA results?  Nothing else is 100% reliable as well yet it is allowed, so why not cadaver dog results backed with anecdotal witness statements that support the findings?

I think you've totally missed the point...why not allow the flip of a coin...it's 50/50..or thereabouts..

[barrier]

The period covered by the statutes of limitations has already passed, so unless you think the charge will be murder, what charges can they face?

Interesting thought Rob.

[Mr Gray]

I believe you are in no position to refute any claim.

if you read the post you might see I never claimed to be...Im talking about the defence expert witness..read the post and you will understand

[Angelo222]

thats what he said in Luz...he nows says something different. He sees the alerts themselves as evidence if they are corroborated by anectdotal witness statements

Evidence can take many forms but as Grime himself admitted, evidence without corroboration has no reliability.

[Mr Gray]

Evidence can take many forms but as Grime himself admitted, evidence without corroboration has no reliability.

hes changed his mind...and i know why

[jassi]

hes changed his mind...and i know why

Well bully for you.
 Would you like to expand on that ?

[ShiningInLuz]

Interesting thought Rob.

Portugal has a statute of limitations.  The UK does not.

[barrier]

Portugal has a statute of limitations.  The UK does not.

I know,but its been pointed out many times what crimes the UK can prosecute on,for crimes committed abroad, can you imagine the media circus,who'd want the poison chalice.