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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1515 on: July 22, 2019, 10:39:26 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
I answered you "I don't consume alcohol or any other intoxicants." 

Now answer my questions to you.
"Davel - do you accept a dog's sense of smell is better than that of a human?

If it is, what factor would you say it was?"

Why do you expect me to answer your question when you refuse to answer mine
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1516 on: July 22, 2019, 10:40:27 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
Why do you expect me to answer your question when you refuse to answer mine
What question have I refused to answer?

Was it "so do you now confirm sil is wrong?"  You hadn't put a question mark on it.    Now SIL may have also made a typo like you did.  IMO he was wrong originally but was it just a typo?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1517 on: July 22, 2019, 10:49:34 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 10:40:27 AM
What question have I refused to answer?

Was it "so do you now confirm sil is wrong?"  You hadn't put a question mark on it.    Now SIL may have also made a typo like you did.  IMO he was wrong originally but was it just a typo?

No it wasn't a typo...sil goes into detail on his blog on the subject.and maintains that dogs do not have a better scent ability than humans...and had said the same here. Just wanted to confirm your opinion that sil  is wrong
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1518 on: July 22, 2019, 10:51:29 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
No it wasn't a typo...sil goes into detail on his blog on the subject.and maintains that dogs do not have a better scent ability than humans...and had said the same here. Just wanted to confirm your opinion that sil  is wrong
Now in your own words what do you think?

"Davel - do you accept a dog's sense of smell is better than that of a human?

If it is, what factor would you say it was?"

Factor - how many times stronger is it?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1519 on: July 22, 2019, 11:02:30 AM »
Grime himself does not give a factor but this is what he has written:

"Canine olfaction is far more sensitive and discriminatory than that of humans"  Page #46/187  http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1520 on: July 22, 2019, 11:20:02 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 11:02:30 AM
Grime himself does not give a factor but this is what he has written:

"Canine olfaction is far more sensitive and discriminatory than that of humans"  Page #46/187  http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf

I'm sure that has come as an absolute shock to all...who would have thought it
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1521 on: July 22, 2019, 11:32:58 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2019, 11:20:02 AM
I'm sure that has come as an absolute shock to all...who would have thought it
Do you agree with Grime on this issue?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1522 on: July 22, 2019, 12:24:06 PM »
How many times better is canine olfaction compared to human olfaction?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1523 on: July 22, 2019, 12:49:35 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
How many times better is canine olfaction compared to human olfaction?

You will have to ask the dogs.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1524 on: July 22, 2019, 12:52:17 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on July 22, 2019, 12:49:35 PM
You will have to ask the dogs.
I heard Eddie bark 15 times.  Is that the right answer?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1525 on: July 22, 2019, 12:58:14 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
I heard Eddie bark 15 times.  Is that the right answer?

Nope.  Sorry.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1526 on: July 22, 2019, 01:06:44 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on July 22, 2019, 12:58:14 PM
Nope.  Sorry.
Do you know the right answer? 
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1527 on: July 22, 2019, 01:09:40 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 01:06:44 PM
Do you know the right answer?

Of course I don't.  Only the dog sniffing something would know how strong the scent was to him, or her.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1528 on: July 22, 2019, 01:26:02 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on July 22, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
Of course I don't.  Only the dog sniffing something would know how strong the scent was to him, or her.
I think I'm talking more a dilution.  if Human can smell a scent at a certain strength if it was then diluted 1000 times can a dog pick it up?  I think Grime would say some dogs can.

Experiment:
take a decomposed piglet.  Take 1.0 gram of flesh and blend it into 1 litre of water test whether a human can smell it.  either add more flesh 1 gram per time until it is sensed or dilute it until it can not be smelt any more. 
Take 1 ml of the mixture and add it to 1 litre of water, and see if a cadaver dog alerts.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1529 on: July 22, 2019, 01:56:32 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on July 22, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
Of course I don't.  Only the dog sniffing something would know how strong the scent was to him, or her.
To know what the dog is thinking would be extremely difficult to determine.
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