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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1590 on: July 23, 2019, 11:06:08 AM »
You inferred that his impending retirement affected how he behaved in Luz.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10341.msg547427#msg547427

Grime said in his opinion the alert was suggestive of cadaver odour...another expert Mary Cablk...says in her experience remnant scent in such a situation would only last a week...who do you believe and why?
this is what she says on her FB page...

Welcome! This page is dedicated to conveying science that pertains to and supports detection dog disciplines. I'll post information about the latest peer reviewed research, conferences and other forms of professional communication, and of course, my own expertise based on real-world deployments and training. I welcome handlers to share their questions, challenges and experiences - so that your voice helps inform cutting edge research.

www.facebook.com/pg/DrCablk/posts/
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1591 on: July 23, 2019, 12:02:10 PM »
it may well have done...not necessarily intentional.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever on which to base your accusations?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1592 on: July 23, 2019, 12:12:03 PM »
Do you have any evidence whatsoever on which to base your accusations?
The fact he was setting up his own consultancy business..I'm not accusing him of anything..I'm simply pointing out he was under different influences

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1593 on: July 23, 2019, 01:05:15 PM »
The fact he was setting up his own consultancy business..I'm not accusing him of anything..I'm simply pointing out he was under different influences

So it's just an attempt at mud slinging then? In my opinion his interests lay in doing the best job possible because his reputation relied on it, and it was his reputation which was his main asset.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1594 on: July 23, 2019, 01:06:45 PM »
So it's just an attempt at mud slinging then? In my opinion his interests lay in doing the best job possible because his reputation relied on it, and it was his reputation which was his main asset.
His dogs alerting in the McCann case made him the most cadaver famous dog handler in the world.  Kerching.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1595 on: July 23, 2019, 01:11:42 PM »
So it's just an attempt at mud slinging then? In my opinion his interests lay in doing the best job possible because his reputation relied on it, and it was his reputation which was his main asset.

You may see it as mud slinging...I see it as questioning everything...perhaps you need to change your signature..

So who do you think is right...grime or the American canine scientific expert

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1596 on: July 23, 2019, 01:31:19 PM »
You may see it as mud slinging...I see it as questioning everything...perhaps you need to change your signature..

So who do you think is right...grime or the American canine scientific expert

You pointed out that Grime was about to retire and set up on his own. Based on that fact you decided he had a conflicy of interest. That conclusion is an opinion. You need to provide evidence, not opinion.

Which American canine scientific expert?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1597 on: July 23, 2019, 01:33:05 PM »
You pointed out that Grime was about to retire and set up on his own. Based on that fact you decided he had a conflicy of interest. That conclusion is an opinion. You need to provide evidence, not opinion.

Which American canine scientific expert?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1598 on: July 23, 2019, 01:43:56 PM »
The report from Jersey was highly critical of the cost of grime...almost 100k.....for zero results
Did it solve the case?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1599 on: July 23, 2019, 01:52:30 PM »
Grime said in his opinion the alert was suggestive of cadaver odour...another expert Mary Cablk...says in her experience remnant scent in such a situation would only last a week...who do you believe and why?
this is what she says on her FB page...

Welcome! This page is dedicated to conveying science that pertains to and supports detection dog disciplines. I'll post information about the latest peer reviewed research, conferences and other forms of professional communication, and of course, my own expertise based on real-world deployments and training. I welcome handlers to share their questions, challenges and experiences - so that your voice helps inform cutting edge research.

www.facebook.com/pg/DrCablk/posts/

Mary Cablk is so obviously wrong.  Good tracker dogs can pick up a trail older than a week.  In the case of a rotten cadaver the odour would be there potentially for years to a well trained cadaver dog and SiL.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1600 on: July 23, 2019, 02:12:22 PM »
What’s wrong with opinions?

Nothing at all unless they're libellous or slanderous.Hinting that Grime allowed his personal ambitions to affect his work could be seen as crossing a line imo.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1601 on: July 23, 2019, 02:23:45 PM »
Nothing at all unless they're libellous or slanderous.Hinting that Grime allowed his personal ambitions to affect his work could be seen as crossing a line imo.
There are plenty of other libellous inferences going on on this board which don’t seem to bother you one tiny bit.  Any reason for that?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1602 on: July 23, 2019, 02:29:16 PM »
Nothing at all unless they're libellous or slanderous.Hinting that Grime allowed his personal ambitions to affect his work could be seen as crossing a line imo.
But I haven't said that

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1603 on: July 23, 2019, 02:31:31 PM »
Did it solve the case?

There was no case to solve..no missing children ...no murdered children...but Eddie alerted 11 times

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1604 on: July 23, 2019, 02:34:35 PM »
There was no case to solve..no missing children ...no murdered children...but Eddie alerted 11 times
There must have been an issue to begin with.  Has that issue gone away?
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