Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294494 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1605 on: July 23, 2019, 02:34:57 PM »
There was no case to solve..no missing children ...no murdered children...but Eddie alerted 11 times
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Mary Cablk is so obviously wrong.  Good tracker dogs can pick up a trail older than a week.  In the case of a rotten cadaver the odour would be there potentially for years to a well trained cadaver dog and SiL.

In Luz we are not talking about a rotten cadaver...a fresh cadaver present for minutes if anything
What evidence is there for s tracker dog picking up a week old scent

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1606 on: July 23, 2019, 02:37:42 PM »
There must have been an issue to begin with.  Has that issue gone away?

An alleged issue..false accusations of murder it would seem. Lenny Harper the lead detective was captivated by grime and his video from Luz.When Eddie found what was thought to be s child's skull..the press had a field day...but it was a coconut

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1607 on: July 23, 2019, 02:43:15 PM »

In Luz we are not talking about a rotten cadaver...a fresh cadaver present for minutes if anything
What evidence is there for s tracker dog picking up a week old scent

Is Mary talking specifically about the McCann case?  In my theory there is another cadaver that is removed at some later time.  So in my theory there is more time for cadaver odour to develop, and hence could permeate the region greater.
Maybe Mary is only considering the case of Madeleine dying in the apartment around 9:00 and being moved before 10:00 PM.  Even I would tend to agree with her if that was the actual truth.

The tracker dog comment was not Luz specific, but is known from actual cases. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1608 on: July 23, 2019, 02:44:56 PM »
Is Mary talking specifically about the McCann case?  In my theory there is another cadaver that is removed at some later time.  So in my theory there is more time for cadaver odour to develop, and hence could permeate the region greater.
Maybe Mary is only considering the case of Madeleine dying in the apartment around 9:00 and being moved before 10:00 PM.  Even I would tend to agree with her if that was the actual truth.

The tracker dog comment was not Luz specific, but is known from actual cases.

What actual cases... evidence rob

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1609 on: July 23, 2019, 02:46:47 PM »
What actual cases... evidence rob
I read today that tracker dogs can follow a scent up to a week old.  They didn't mention actual cases, but I don't doubt there are cases.

https://www.missinganimalresponse.com/lost-pet-help/how-long-can-scent-survive/
" Kat Albrecht has spent over 20 plus years training and working search dogs, observing other search dogs in training, and learning from search dog authorities across the country. She’s familiar with aged trail experiments performed by experienced Bloodhound trainers. Based on her knowledge of what other credible Bloodhound handlers have experienced, her training through the National Police Bloodhound Association (NPBA), and her personal experience in working successful cases with search dogs that she has personally trained and/or worked with, she is comfortable in estimating that in optimal scent conditions (cool, damp areas with heavy vegetation and no wind) a trained trailing dog is probably capable of following a scent trail that is up to three (possibly even four) weeks old.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1610 on: July 23, 2019, 02:47:45 PM »
Mary Cablk is so obviously wrong.  Good tracker dogs can pick up a trail older than a week.  In the case of a rotten cadaver the odour would be there potentially for years to a well trained cadaver dog and SiL.

Is she the 'expert'? She does train and handle dogs and she works for the police on occassion. Civilian dog handlers are often used in America. She claims to be certified, but I can't see who certified her. Without being able to compare her training methods and records, experience, success rate and acreditation with Grime's it's not possible to say if her expertise is superior to his imo.
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #1611 on: July 23, 2019, 02:55:03 PM »
Is she the 'expert'? She does train and handle dogs and she works for the police on occassion. Civilian dog handlers are often used in America. She claims to be certified, but I can't see who certified her. Without being able to compare her training methods and records, experience, success rate and acreditation with Grime's it's not possible to say if her expertise is superior to his imo.
It is Davel who keeps on quoting her as if she is some sort of expert witness.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1612 on: July 23, 2019, 03:17:16 PM »
It is Davel who keeps on quoting her as if she is some sort of expert witness.

She is an expert witness in the upcoming Redwine trial

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1613 on: July 23, 2019, 03:20:11 PM »
Is she the 'expert'? She does train and handle dogs and she works for the police on occassion. Civilian dog handlers are often used in America. She claims to be certified, but I can't see who certified her. Without being able to compare her training methods and records, experience, success rate and acreditation with Grime's it's not possible to say if her expertise is superior to his imo.

She has a PhD too...so a better understanding of science

The one who I would believe is the one who presents the better evidence
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 03:29:41 PM by Davel »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1614 on: July 23, 2019, 03:39:03 PM »
I read today that tracker dogs can follow a scent up to a week old.  They didn't mention actual cases, but I don't doubt there are cases.

https://www.missinganimalresponse.com/lost-pet-help/how-long-can-scent-survive/
" Kat Albrecht has spent over 20 plus years training and working search dogs, observing other search dogs in training, and learning from search dog authorities across the country. She’s familiar with aged trail experiments performed by experienced Bloodhound trainers. Based on her knowledge of what other credible Bloodhound handlers have experienced, her training through the National Police Bloodhound Association (NPBA), and her personal experience in working successful cases with search dogs that she has personally trained and/or worked with, she is comfortable in estimating that in optimal scent conditions (cool, damp areas with heavy vegetation and no wind) a trained trailing dog is probably capable of following a scent trail that is up to three (possibly even four) weeks old.

So a scent a week old...ties in with what the American says

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1615 on: July 23, 2019, 03:56:11 PM »
She is an expert witness in the upcoming Redwine trial

It will be interesting to see which side's evidence convinces.
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1616 on: July 23, 2019, 04:16:02 PM »
She is an expert witness in the upcoming Redwine trial

Is she,she gave evidence for the defence in a pre trial report to try and get the dogs evidence to be dismissed,which obviously failed because the judge is to allow it.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1617 on: July 23, 2019, 04:18:05 PM »
It will be interesting to see which side's evidence convinces.

The jury will not necessarily understand the evidence ..I'm more interested what the experts have to say
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 07:30:27 PM by Davel »

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1618 on: July 23, 2019, 08:07:47 PM »
I haven't ..cite required
You suggested he acted in financial self interest.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1619 on: July 23, 2019, 08:08:31 PM »
You suggested he acted in financial self interest.

No I didn't