Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[barrier]

You both say you didn't and neither of you made clear unambiguous allegations. What you both did do imo was hint. One of you about possible collaberation between Amaral and Grine, the other about possible ulterior motives driving Grime.

Chinese whispers,heard it from a friend,who heard it from a friend who heard it from another.

[Robittybob1]

You both say you didn't and neither of you made clear unambiguous allegations. What you both did do imo was hint. One of you about possible collaboration between Amaral and Grime, the other about possible ulterior motives driving Grime.

Have you tried to understand the study "Handler beliefs affect scent detection dog outcomes"  https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s10071-010-0373-2?shared_access_token=Vut12Uai65004q4v-y_Xkve4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY4bHsjVym_Rn1xhUadVArBPtORCcCsdqHrjfpKRHjPPjYb5mMYWDvHEbTHOAv6HV6ANjhZim-a0wggN1S-Kvmj0IeYkWH2nWnXHGCrn5yBcmWOTIMVDV7FUMgrm42lcSdY%3D

That study shows these happenings are not really conscious events.   Collaboration would be a conscious decision IMO.

[Mr Gray]

You both say you didn't and neither of you made clear unambiguous allegations. What you both did do imo was hint. One of you about possible collaberation between Amaral and Grine, the other about possible ulterior motives driving Grime.

Conflict of interest is not an ulterior motive

[G-Unit]

Have you tried to understand the study "Handler beliefs affect scent detection dog outcomes"  https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s10071-010-0373-2?shared_access_token=Vut12Uai65004q4v-y_Xkve4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY4bHsjVym_Rn1xhUadVArBPtORCcCsdqHrjfpKRHjPPjYb5mMYWDvHEbTHOAv6HV6ANjhZim-a0wggN1S-Kvmj0IeYkWH2nWnXHGCrn5yBcmWOTIMVDV7FUMgrm42lcSdY%3D

That study shows these happenings are not really conscious events.   Collaboration would be a conscious decision IMO.

Firstly there's no evidence that Grime wanted his dogs ro alert to specific locations and secondly the fact that some dogs responded to handler cues doesn't mean that Grime's dogs did.

[G-Unit]

Conflict of interest is not an ulterior motive

Pointing out that it may have occured suggests otherwise.

[Mr Gray]

Pointing out that it may have occured suggests otherwise.

That's your opinion...
Imo
It doesn't... conflict of interest can be unconscious

[Robittybob1]

Firstly there's no evidence that Grime wanted his dogs ro alert to specific locations and secondly the fact that some dogs responded to handler cues doesn't mean that Grime's dogs did.

That sort of argument works both ways:
"Firstly there's no evidence that Grime wanted/didn't want his dogs to alert to specific locations and secondly the fact that some dogs responded to handler cues doesn't mean that Grime's dogs did/didn't.

[Mr Gray]

That sort of argument works both ways:
"Firstly there's no evidence that Grime wanted/didn't want his dogs to alert to specific locations and secondly the fact that some dogs responded to handler cues doesn't mean that Grime's dogs did/didn't.

I would say that if grime felt his dog was showing interest he might unconscious ally encourage the dog to alert to make sure he didn't miss any evidence

[G-Unit]

That's your opinion...
Imo
It doesn't... conflict of interest can be unconscious

So in your opinion he inadvertently cast doubt on his own integrity? Well in my opinion he didn't and there's no evidence to uphold your opinion.

[Robittybob1]

I would say that if grime felt his dog was showing interest he might unconscious ally encourage the dog to alert to make sure he didn't miss any evidence

That is illogical.   "to make sure he didn't miss any evidence" is going to be a conscious decision.   He might be unaware he has consciously "encouraged the dog to alert".

[Mr Gray]

That is illogical.   "to make sure he didn't miss any evidence" is going to be a conscious decision.   He might be unaware he has consciously "encouraged the dog to alert".

To make sure he didn't miss any evidence would be s conscious decision....I didn't see any alert from cuddle cat...grime made the conscious decision the alert was to it

[Mr Gray]

So in your opinion he inadvertently cast doubt on his own integrity? Well in my opinion he didn't and there's no evidence to uphold your opinion.

You have your opinion..I have mine

[ShiningInLuz]

There have been some I've seen on watching the Canadian border police at work,the dog is not rewarded until its been confirmed what it was in the package,once confirmed this was done by placing the package on the floor along with dummy packs and the dog alerts again getting a reward thus reinforcing its ongoing training.

Thanks.  I haven't seen that before.  I'll keep an eye out for that in future.

 

[barrier]

Thanks.  I haven't seen that before.  I'll keep an eye out for that in future.

 

Sky witness I think.

[ShiningInLuz]

Sky witness I think.

Ah!

Unfortunately I pick up most of my stuff from CBS Reality.

They do at times feature the CBP, and that's interesting, but there's relatively scant material about the deployment of dogs.

The main dog programmes I get are at stupid hour in early morning, and they appear to be New Zealand based.

No matter, I'll still keep a look out for it in future.  Onward and upward.